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Re:My BDFL guiding principles (cURL) – daniel.haxx.se by anonfordays on Monday May 27, 2024 @01:44PM (#40492939)
After what happened to Nix, I've only gained more respect and preference for projects that have BDFL.
Re:My BDFL guiding principles (cURL) – daniel.haxx.se by meowface on Monday May 27, 2024 @02:19PM (#40493207)
What happened to Nix?
Re:My BDFL guiding principles (cURL) – daniel.haxx.se by recursivecaveat on Monday May 27, 2024 @05:18PM (#40494818)
Nixcon NA 2023 accepted, then later rescinded, sponsorship from Anduril, which is a defense company. There was a lot of community pushback on that, and it seems like the organizers messed up and the venue wouldn't allow it anyway. Either way they were a sponsor for 2024. Ever since there has been a lot of infighting in the community. Here's a recent LWN article and HN discussion about it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40199153
Re:My BDFL guiding principles (cURL) – daniel.haxx.se by neonsunset on Monday May 27, 2024 @05:35PM (#40494976)
Also relevant reading: https://srid.ca/nixos-mod

How certain, ideologically and politically driven parts of community conduct themselves against anyone they suspect of wrongthink: https://discourse.nixos.org/t/delroths-muting-in-the-moderat...

Re:My BDFL guiding principles (cURL) – daniel.haxx.se by gradientsrneat on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @11:35AM (#40513079)
The first website, I skimmed the rabbit hole of links a bit, and it reads like far left/far right infighting. Personally, I don't feel sad with someone getting banned who thinks LGBT people don't have a right to exist. But hyperpartisan groups are more likely to scour people's social media/blogs/etc to find any reason imaginable to ban them.
Re:My BDFL guiding principles (cURL) – daniel.haxx.se by anonfordays on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @12:17PM (#40513620)
> it reads like far left/far right infighting

It's far-left versus anyone right of Mao. There are no far-right people of note here.

>Personally, I don't feel sad with someone getting banned who thinks LGBT people don't have a right to exist.

So you're OK with banning Muslims? Personally, I don't feel sad with someone getting banned who thinks Israeli people don't have a right to exist. See what I did there? This is fallacious thinking.

>But hyperpartisan groups are more likely to scour people's social media/blogs/etc to find any reason imaginable to ban them.

Indeed. This is inexcusable behavior. It's seeking out things to feign "outrage" over in order to make political moves such as ousting any members that are not ideologically aligned.

Re:My BDFL guiding principles (cURL) – daniel.haxx.se by em-bee on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @01:27PM (#40514514)
muslims to not believe that LGBT people don't have a right to exist. those who express such a sentiment have not understood the koran that teaches that all people should be treated with love and compassion.
Re:My BDFL guiding principles (cURL) – daniel.haxx.se by CRConrad on Wednesday June 12, 2024 @08:04AM (#40657111)
> muslims to not believe that LGBT people don't have a right to exist.

"Exist", sure... But they only exist as corpses after they've been stoned to death for the sin of being LGBT.

> those who express such a sentiment have not understood the koran that teaches that all people should be treated with love and compassion. reply

So mainly Muslims, then?

Re:My BDFL guiding principles (cURL) – daniel.haxx.se by gradientsrneat on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @10:07PM (#40519409)
> There are no far-right people of note here

I would think srid is notable due to his site making an impression here? But I can see where you're coming from. I've observed attempted community takeovers from a safe distance, and it's depressing. Not going to attempt a coherent opinion on Nix, as I am not involved in the project.

> See what I did there?

No, I really don't. Your counter-example just seems like a false equivalence to me.

Re:My BDFL guiding principles (cURL) – daniel.haxx.se by anonfordays on Wednesday May 29, 2024 @10:58PM (#40519669)
>I would think srid is notable

Srid is not far-right...

>No, I really don't. Your counter-example just seems like a false equivalence to me.

It's the same as:

"Personally, I don't feel sad with someone getting banned who grooms children."

Then one declares a wide array of behaviors, words, actions, inactions, opinions, orthogonal statements, etc. as "child grooming", "anti-LGBTQ", etc. and then use that as prima facie to oust the opposition.

Re:My BDFL guiding principles (cURL) – daniel.haxx.se by gradientsrneat on Saturday June 01, 2024 @07:48PM (#40550131)
> Srid is not far right

OK, just wanted to make sure your disagreement is based on your beliefs about the positioning of the overton window, rather than whether or not Srid is a relevant actor in the Nix project.

The thing I have observed in other community takeovers is that, it is not always a case that the new management is making mostly bad decisions, because if they did that, it would lead to a hard fork of a project, followed by the upstream dying off. Because the community takeover may be motivated by a desire for power.

With the Nix vs Lix split, it is not clear to me which project is better, given my limited knowledge. It's also not clear if the Nix project has actually changed considerably since this incident. I am ignorant, and the drama papers don't tell me much.

Speaking of open source more generally, I tend to defer to upstream if it's still active, not for any political reason, but because those closer associated with the original maintainer tend to be more experienced. But there definitely are exceptions, for example if the upstream is too toxic by comparison, or the downstream is solving a different problem that I care about.

Re:My BDFL guiding principles (cURL) – daniel.haxx.se by rgoulter on Monday May 27, 2024 @10:42PM (#40496864)
Just over a month ago there was a flashpoint in community tensions, as some expressed their concerns over the project's governance. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40107370

As a quick summary, they were concerned about sponsorship from military tech, about community moderation not doing enough to keep trolls out, and annoyed by Eelco Dolstra.

In response to this, some discussions about project governance were had. It seems like it was quite a disorganised mess. https://chrismcdonough.substack.com/p/report-on-nixos-govern...

Re:My BDFL guiding principles (cURL) – daniel.haxx.se by adhamsalama on Monday May 27, 2024 @02:16PM (#40493170)
Only if the BDFL isn't okay with his software being used to kill innocent civilians.
Re:My BDFL guiding principles (cURL) – daniel.haxx.se by samatman on Monday May 27, 2024 @02:36PM (#40493350)
What is it that you think open source means? Vibes?
Re:My BDFL guiding principles (cURL) – daniel.haxx.se by anonfordays on Tuesday May 28, 2024 @09:41AM (#40500674)
Glad that's not what happened with Nix.
Re:My BDFL guiding principles (cURL) – daniel.haxx.se by adhamsalama on Tuesday June 04, 2024 @02:48PM (#40577700)
It is.
Re:My BDFL guiding principles (cURL) – daniel.haxx.se by anonfordays on Friday June 07, 2024 @10:57AM (#40609339)
It isn't.