FWIW I remember this very forum flinging this kind of accusations in 2020.

Even without any examples, I don’t see how revisiting it today gets anyone on the same page. It feels like a way to play the victim.

Retros are common in our industry this is a mini-retro. Many things by experts and leaders were false and caused many deaths and still are causing deaths. The follow your government officials crowd got it wrong. Those who got fooled want to move on and not face reality are now calling other victims in an attempt to silence and shame. Shame on you for trying to hide your collective cowardly actions.

While we're on the subject of retrospection, did you ever figure out which news sources you consume led to your belief that George Floyd was murdered by "black supremacists"? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35069871

I have no opinion on this thread but I find it weird when people dig through others’ comment history and try to use it as an argument.

If you read the rest of that thread GP states that he was thinking of a specific different police brutality case and mistakenly referred to the George Floyd case instead. I also have no idea what he means by black supremacists there but the ridiculous part of your quote was essentially a typo by GP (allegedly anyway).

Thank you for taking the time to go through my thousands of comments. Did you read all comments or were you looking for specific keywords that match your worldview?

My views were based off of cnn and cam footage shown.

I was reading through your history. Why all the Apple hate. Did you ever recover from the botched Apple interview?

No need for perusal, just a good memory for usernames.

Apple hate? Me? I’ve got an iPhone, Watch, and a house full of Macs. Apple is by far my preferred tech company out of the big ones. I hate Apple about as much as George Floyd was killed by black supremacists.

I’m not sure how three years of CNN coverage of the Floyd murder left you thinking he was offed by black supremacists instead of a visibly white cop.

Then why do you continually mock Apple and Steve?

I think the black supremacists thing is happening to you again.

== Shame on you for trying to hide your collective cowardly actions.==

I needed a reminder on why I stopped posting here. This type of arrogant indignation is the perfect example. It completely cuts off actual discourse and makes a host of negative assumptions about others while demanding that others treat your ideas with care and nuance.

Shame on me for trying to have a discussion. Back to your flamewars!

Revisiting The Science™ today is obviously useful for tomorrow. Suddenly dropping the issue is a bewildering position, especially from such a "pro-Science™" crowd.

Why wouldn't we want to know how effective (or not) a given intervention is? It feels like a way to avoid embarrassment.

But I'd argue that most of the lessons to be learned are not about virology or the minutiae of masks. They're about the consequences of politicizing something that's not political, of implementing drastic measures with poorly-communicated rationale.

They're of non-physicians spreading their own opinions and misexplainations (however well-intentioned) while condescending to other non-physicians that they're not entitled to their own opinions because they're not a physician. Like, what?

It would be a bewildering position, which is why nobody suggested to suddenly drop the issue or stop studying it. I’m not sure where you got that idea.

I was talking about revisiting people’s comments on a message board from 4 years ago in an attempt to re-stoke the flamewar conversations everyone claims to be against.

==especially from such a "pro-Science™" crowd.==

Reads like a pretty condescending comment to me.

> this very forum

Specific individuals not "this forum".

The general trend on this forum was that anything queationing the official narrative on issues related to COVID was heavily downvoted, even if you just quoted conflicting research. Thus it was not only “specific individuals”.

Funnily enough, I am first upvoted, then downvoted to -1 for a comment that people were downvoted for saying certain things. Nobody has any counter-argument but they just downvote because they disagree. Kind of proves the point.

The parent seeks to convey the zeitgeist irrational emotional response of the populace to alternate perspectives during the COVID era and to my mind does so successfully.

As someone who not only mapped the rise of COVID for Wikipedia before it was mainstream media acknowledged in January 2020 - https://github.com/globalcitizen/2019-wuhan-coronavirus-data - but also had the unique fortune of experiencing (catching) COVID in all of China, Australia and the US, while all countries had irrational response I would classify Australian social paranoia as some of the worst. Absolutely, people were being shamed and attacked and removed from society, employment, etc. if they did not have vaccinations or refused to wear masks. While all countries had irrational response, Australia's was certainly "up there". Furthermore, they turned the whole country in to a prison (you needed 'special permission' to leave, even as an Australian citizen), and virtually nobody complained.

There are no such people so hopelessly enslaved as those who believe they are free. - Goethe

I personally found the recent withdrawl of some of the vaccines - which people were hounded and shamed in to taking in to their bodies - with proven mortality risk, as something of a vindication. None of my family had any vaccines, not because we are against them per se, but because we didn't encounter a legal requirement to do so as we visited the US right after the requirement for travelers was dropped, and had already developed natural resistance through repeated exposure. If we were dealing with a more vicious pathogen, we would have been first in line.

My problem is the person engaging the exact things they accuse the other side of doing, all while lamenting the inability to “get people on the same page.”