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Re:Tom Waits vs. Frito-Lay, Inc by r2_pilot on Thursday May 23, 2024 @11:24AM (#40455870)
>The problem OpenAI has is they tried to get Scarlet to do the voice and after she declined OpenAI found someone who has a similar voice to do it.

As the public currently knows based on reporting from WaPo, the original VA was selected and performed her role (months) BEFORE they reached out to Scarlett for the first time. Please don't misconstrue the timeline for other people that are just now tuning in.

Re:Tom Waits vs. Frito-Lay, Inc by Retric on Thursday May 23, 2024 @11:48AM (#40456209)
They made the choice to use that voice after she decided otherwise they would never have approached Scarlet. When the recording session occurred is irrelevant. They wanted her voice, couldn’t get it, and then chose to use something similar.
Re:Tom Waits vs. Frito-Lay, Inc by ComplexSystems on Thursday May 23, 2024 @12:05PM (#40456453)
If they really recorded the Sky actor well in advance then there's nothing wrong with them using it. They aren't required to suddenly delete the other voice actor's work because Scarlett Johansen refused a later proposal to use her voice instead. She owns the rights to her voice, not any vaguely similar sounding white female voice put together before they even talked to her.
Re:Tom Waits vs. Frito-Lay, Inc by Retric on Thursday May 23, 2024 @12:26PM (#40456701)
OpenAI didn’t need to talk to her to create an imitation there’s many recordings freely available. Recording beforehand therefore has zero impact on their ability or intent to imitate such a public figure.

The core question eventually put before a jury would be if it was unintentionally similar or an imitation and attempting to pay her for use of her voice is clear evidence they wanted it because of it or they perceived the voices where overly similar. Either of those are possible, but to then use the voice anyway became problematic.

Re:Tom Waits vs. Frito-Lay, Inc by ComplexSystems on Thursday May 23, 2024 @02:28PM (#40458126)
It doesn't matter if they "could" have made a copy of her voice if they didn't actually do it, and the voice actress who recorded Sky's voice is saying just that.
Re:Tom Waits vs. Frito-Lay, Inc by Retric on Thursday May 23, 2024 @03:01PM (#40458542)
Read up on Glover vs Universal, the likeness doesn’t have to be that close to run into issues and that’s for the studio who owned the character.

I’m not saying Sky did anything wrong. But the final result is close enough many people assumed it was Scarlet without promoting, that’s problematic when they are making references to her role as an AI voice and obviously wanted to make a deal.

Re:Tom Waits vs. Frito-Lay, Inc by Aloisius on Thursday May 23, 2024 @04:00PM (#40459213)
Glover v. Universal was settled out of court at the behest of Universal's insurer. We don't know who would have prevailed if it had continued.

And of course, some specific aspects of the case are unique. Universal used a face mold they had made of Glover's face, for instance.

Re:Tom Waits vs. Frito-Lay, Inc by Retric on Thursday May 23, 2024 @04:45PM (#40459688)
The uncertainty is itself information. I would have assumed Universal would have been fine, but presumably expert legal advice thought the risk was fairly high.

I’ll give you the mold makes the intent more clear, but I doubt the jury is going to be debating intent. Pulling the voice suggests OpenAI thinks this is either a real risk or bad publicity.

Re:Tom Waits vs. Frito-Lay, Inc by mdorazio on Thursday May 23, 2024 @12:02PM (#40456410)
This changes absolutely nothing about the legality or ethics involved.
Re:Tom Waits vs. Frito-Lay, Inc by Retric on Thursday May 23, 2024 @12:29PM (#40456727)
Using something similar is a possible legal problem. Creating evidence likely to sway a jury that it was intentionally similar even if it wasn’t intended in that fashion is a problem.
Re:Tom Waits vs. Frito-Lay, Inc by orangecat on Thursday May 23, 2024 @12:28PM (#40456718)
"Similar" in that it's a friendly flirty female voice? Is that entire category supposed to be off the table after SJ declined?
Re:Tom Waits vs. Frito-Lay, Inc by Retric on Thursday May 23, 2024 @12:38PM (#40456831)
There’s literally thousands of flirty female voices which would have sounded like a different actress, singer, etc who they didn’t approach and therefore would have been less risky.

Really using a voice on a digital assistant that sounds like the actress playing a role of a digital assistant is just dumb. Especially if you then tweet about the film days before releasing the voice.

Re:Tom Waits vs. Frito-Lay, Inc by thih9 on Thursday May 23, 2024 @11:32AM (#40455972)
Why does this matter? I'd say whether they contacted ScarJo before, after or not at all is irrelevant. Then again, yes, I guess best to present events and the timeline as they were.
Re:Tom Waits vs. Frito-Lay, Inc by r2_pilot on Thursday May 23, 2024 @11:38AM (#40456060)
For starters, it lends credence to (a claim I've read somewhere in this morass) OpenAI wanting to have a 6th voice in addition to the previous ones already created.
Re:Tom Waits vs. Frito-Lay, Inc by thih9 on Thursday May 23, 2024 @04:56PM (#40459811)
How does that affect the end result?