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Re:Sprint, T-Mobile Merger Killed Wireless Price Competition... by Aloha on Thursday May 16, 2024 @03:05PM (#40381925)
I don't think that materially really had anything to do with it.

Sprint was dying - with extraordinarily high debt, in 2007, well before Softbank bought them, and indeed they lost money every year from 2008 forward - https://www.statista.com/statistics/481739/sprint-corporatio...

The Merger with Nextel managed to kill what was great about Nextel, and what was good about Sprint, and they lost customers in droves (mostly former Nextel ones). In reality Sprint bought Nextel's OAM equipment and their customers, and moved all the legacy Sprint customers onto the surviving billing and network management platforms (Nextel). The iDEN turndown also lost even more customers, most of whom who realized they didnt need PTToC after all (which is too bad, because on dedicated CDMA hardware, it worked really great).

Then they needed to start rolling out LTE (Network Vision) - and NV didnt start in earnest until 2012/13 - and as someone who was on the field end of it, was very very very poorly managed. Sprint some years prior had outsourced all their engineering expertise to Ericsson, which means they had no one in house with any knowledge. They only realized that 18 months in, and then scrambled to get people back from Ericsson (who I will note, they did not contract any of the deployment management to).

I only know this because I was in the middle of the deployment as a field resource in Seattle.

My guess is only half the sites in the network (in Seattle Market) had enough customers to pay their fixed costs.

I concluded while I worked there that there was no way for four carriers to be viable, there isnt enough spectrum allocated, and you pay the same fixed costs over and over again.

I'll go further, Sprint had a massive switch facility for the LD operations with room for like 4 DMS250's in Tacoma, but that's not where they put the SPCS 5ESS, that was in Kirkland in a rented building (and interestingly enough, it's still part of T-Mobiles operations today), there was also another Motorola iDEN switch also in Kirkland.

Post merger they never really made any effort to reduce their fixed costs (sites, switching centers, et al), because that would have cost money - they also got bled dry by having to foot the entire bill for rebanding the SMR band, which was on the order of 2.5 billion dollars. They did close stores (and RS was a major outlet for Sprint Sales, before it went belly up) which contributed to problems later.

So I don't know where you got your info, but I think its hooey - before Softbank bought Sprint, they didn't have the capital to upgrade their 2G/3G network to LTE, much less consider a merger with T-Mobile.

Re:Sprint, T-Mobile Merger Killed Wireless Price Competition... by ericcumbee on Thursday May 16, 2024 @03:19PM (#40382052)
and then there was also the Wimax debacle. Sprint had invested pretty heavily in Wimax being their future network before they realized this wasnt going to work.
Re:Sprint, T-Mobile Merger Killed Wireless Price Competition... by malfist on Thursday May 16, 2024 @03:51PM (#40382400)
I got bit by the wimax nonsense as a consumer. I had a 4G HTC flagship phone on sprint and it was awesome. Then when I went and upgraded my phone a few years later to another HTC flagship phone, also with 4G, I was very confused why I could only use 3G.

The first phone was labeled 4G and second one was 4G LTE, which sprint didn't have in my area. I had been using wimax.

I switched to Verizon not too long after that so I could have 4G again

Re:Sprint, T-Mobile Merger Killed Wireless Price Competition... by Aloha on Thursday May 16, 2024 @03:54PM (#40382433)
Wimax actually did work great in practical terms even if the clearwire network was made out of compressed spit.

All of them - all the CW sites, were under provisioned for backhaul.

Re:Sprint, T-Mobile Merger Killed Wireless Price Competition... by Benjammer on Thursday May 16, 2024 @04:47PM (#40382929)
>before Softbank bought Sprint, they didn't have the capital to upgrade their 2G/3G network to LTE, much less consider a merger with T-Mobile.

I think both of us can be right at the same time though. Just because they had problems before the SoftBank acquisition as well doesn't necessarily make what I'm saying unreasonable. There was still sentiment in 2013 when SB closed the deal that regulators would not have approved of Sprint acquiring T Mobile [0], despite the struggles going on at Sprint at the time (that you describe). Sprint was definitely putting together a bid to acquire T Mobile, WSJ reported on it [1].

As you yourself said, Sprint was _dying_ at the time of the SB acquisition, but as far as large firms go, they were far from bankrupt yet. SoftBank simply twisted the dagger and then presented the corpse to congress instead of the dying patient.

[0] https://www.theverge.com/2014/2/4/5376824/fcc-chief-reported...

[1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303293604579256...

Re:Sprint, T-Mobile Merger Killed Wireless Price Competition... by Aloha on Thursday May 16, 2024 @05:39PM (#40383581)
I remember saying at one point to my operations manager at Ericsson, "how does anyone make money in this business?" he laughed and said "I have no idea".

I cannot explain how poorly managed Sprint was, it'd take me an essay to just explain the various dysfunctions I saw there.

That said, it did improve some once Softbank bought them.

Re:Sprint, T-Mobile Merger Killed Wireless Price Competition... by TallTales on Thursday May 16, 2024 @07:50PM (#40384760)
Yeah network vision was a disaster. I think in the market I helped built our average number of site touches was like 21 or 22 from construction complete to on-air. All the funds gathered from the high interest junk bond sale to fund NV was used very inefficiency because sprint lacked the expertise to not get taken for a ride by their vendors.
Re:Sprint, T-Mobile Merger Killed Wireless Price Competition... by Aloha on Thursday May 16, 2024 @09:20PM (#40385356)
It was a shitshow, you'd have GD tell us a site was complete and show up and find no equipment or equipment on pallets. GD rather than the equipment vendors were the villains, it was subcontractor-o-rama, and no one was responsible for anything. There was one site I went to like six times to inventory non-existent equipment - never mind when they decided to preload the inventory but used the barcodes on the samsung gear that didnt match anything.. I escalated that to Ericsson and then Sprint directly (it mattered for ericsson, because they'd have failed ATLAS audits), about two weeks later all that vanished, and we got a tranche of tickets to go reinventory everything.

I also saw at least half a dozen sites, cut and in service still sitting on their pallets, such a mess.

Imagine for a moment you go off to the crusades, leave the barn to one group, the fields to another group, and leave the house to a third group, then gleave no one in charge and give them no way to communicate beyond the most informal means - and you're surprised everything is on fire upon your return?

In the end it did work once it was done, but it was only hell for the customer during deployment because it was deployed and cut in a hopscotch fashion, which would be fine, if you could roam from new back to old - there was a one way roam, from old to new, once on new, there was no path to roam back.