Re:Fastest rate of natural carbon dioxide rise over the last...
by deelowe on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @08:49AM
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Should the conversation be production or consumption? Who's really to blame?
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Re:Fastest rate of natural carbon dioxide rise over the last...
by liotier on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @08:53AM
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Carbon tax, including as international tariff would sidestep that question, make the emitter pay and let the consumer choose.
Re:Fastest rate of natural carbon dioxide rise over the last...
by have_faith on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @09:01AM
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Consumption isn't a perfect knowledge game (although people are more educated now than they used to be). Individuals are never going to be perfectly equipped to evaluate the ramifications of every purchase they make. Regulations on production and the impact of delivering certain goods are the only real solutions. Because production itself can induce demand, it has to take at least part of the responsibility.
Re:Fastest rate of natural carbon dioxide rise over the last...
by lotsofpulp on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @09:03AM
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We are well past being equipped to know the ramifications of using energy to move mass long distances.
Using more space, traveling further distances, and moving more mass is all it comes down to. In order of impact, it means detached homes, individual huge car and air transport, animal food products, and shipping things across oceans (aka things stamped with made in China).
Approximately no one is willing to give up these luxuries on a nation scale.
Re:Fastest rate of natural carbon dioxide rise over the last...
by dgacmu on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @09:55AM
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You're placing the blame on the wrong thing - The embodied energy of producing most of the things we consume is much higher than the energy of shipping. Shipping on a massive container ship is really impressively efficient. (Shipping by air is a very different matter, of course)
You can see the same thing if you look at the energy cost of food shipping: perishable goods like asparagus are shipped in refrigerated planes, and the added energy of shipping is huge, whereas bananas are shipped on cargo ships.
https://ourworldindata.org/food-transport-by-mode
For example
Re:Fastest rate of natural carbon dioxide rise over the last...
by lotsofpulp on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @09:59AM
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True, I should have replaced shipping with the mass of everything else we consume.
Re:Fastest rate of natural carbon dioxide rise over the last...
by card_zero on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @11:28AM
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The people in control of emissions policies.
1. Governments.
2. In functioning democracies, voters.
And yes, production.
Re:Fastest rate of natural carbon dioxide rise over the last...
by brightball on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @08:54AM
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When it comes to regulations, production. Stricter laws in the US just lead to shipping production overseas to locations with less strict regulation.
Re:Fastest rate of natural carbon dioxide rise over the last...
by itishappy on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @09:35AM
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Regulate trade. Carbon taxes on production and shipping disincentivize this.
Re:Fastest rate of natural carbon dioxide rise over the last...
by brightball on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @01:53PM
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That gets very messy very quickly. You could have just as easily taken that step on labor conditions years ago.
Re:Fastest rate of natural carbon dioxide rise over the last...
by waihtis on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @08:52AM
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I agree, there's roughly three parties to blame, the large corps, the junk manufacturers and the idiots who buy cheap chinese junk en masse
Re:Fastest rate of natural carbon dioxide rise over the last...
by bel-crow on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @09:07AM
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This might be ever so slightly off-topic and a silly question but why aren't sites like SHEIN being banned like Tik-Tok? They cause infinite harm, and clearly we're capable of banning big chinese sites, so why the holdup on SHEIN/Temu? I saw news about Congress members in the US calling for bans last year but nothing happened.