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Re:Not an iPad Pro Review: Why iPadOS Still Doesn't Get the ... by eptcyka on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @04:53AM (#40353001)
It takes me repeated taps on a text entry to get the popover that allows me to paste - why isn't there a keyboard shortcut to access the clipboard? Similarly, I often find it impossible to drag a selection to select more or less characters. Moving the cursor is similarly infuriating. On Android, I had a keyboard that allowed me to swipe on the space bar to move the cursor, why can't I have that here?

Wouldn't be as big of a problem if the spellchecker was not absolute garbage and handled multi-language text input, or just worked well for a single language. Honestly, I don't think the team working on the keyboard at apple has any linguists or any kind of diversity to pay attention to nothing but the most milktoast of English language use.

Re:Not an iPad Pro Review: Why iPadOS Still Doesn't Get the ... by pcammeraat on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @05:02AM (#40353062)
If you tap and hold on the spacebar it essential becomes a trackpad. That let you move the cursor in all directions.
Re:Not an iPad Pro Review: Why iPadOS Still Doesn't Get the ... by anileated on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @05:08AM (#40353111)
That doesn’t help with selection, does it?
Re:Not an iPad Pro Review: Why iPadOS Still Doesn't Get the ... by lbebber on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @05:52AM (#40353374)
You can select text this way too; once it’s in “trackpad mode”, tap the keyboard with another finger, and it will start text selection.
Re:Not an iPad Pro Review: Why iPadOS Still Doesn't Get the ... by dgellow on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @06:05AM (#40353465)
Wow, I had no idea! But the selection is not fluid at all and really difficult this way
Re:Not an iPad Pro Review: Why iPadOS Still Doesn't Get the ... by anileated on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @06:27AM (#40353606)
I’d say the main problem is that it doesn’t work while operating a phone single-handed, when you only have a thumb available, but on iPad I can see it being useful after some getting used to.
Re:Not an iPad Pro Review: Why iPadOS Still Doesn't Get the ... by dgellow on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @06:40AM (#40353681)
I tried on an iPad. That works but it’s really not a good experience, unless I’m doing it incorrectly. On an iPhone it’s also pretty awkward, I don’t think I will ever use that feature but it’s good to know it exists
Re:Not an iPad Pro Review: Why iPadOS Still Doesn't Get the ... by 0cf8612b2e1e on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @01:11PM (#40357450)
On an IPhone and I struggle with the trackpad mode as well. I frequently might want to select a block of text, but the OS really only wants me to select to here and no more. Cannot pin down what arbitrary threshold I am missing.
Re:Not an iPad Pro Review: Why iPadOS Still Doesn't Get the ... by gcanyon on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @08:51AM (#40354671)
That's a neat trick. It seems to only work to extend the selection to the right? Meaning:

1. Long-tap with your right thumb, drag the cursor to the end of a sentence 2. Tap with your left thumb (to the left of your right thumb) and drag to the left to select the sentence -- nothing happens 3. Drag your right thumb to the right to make sure you understand what's happening and you're doing it right -- the selection extends, yay! 4. Again try dragging your left thumb -- nothing happens.

How could Apple's human interaction people let this ship?!

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Re:Not an iPad Pro Review: Why iPadOS Still Doesn't Get the ... by anileated on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @05:43AM (#40353309)
> Relax. Go select some text with a mouse, you’ll feel better.

Do you often select text to feel better? Are you OK?

Re:Not an iPad Pro Review: Why iPadOS Still Doesn't Get the ... by saagarjha on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @06:12AM (#40353510)
Look I don’t agree with your parent comment but, uh, yes I do. Do you not mindlessly select text while reading?
Re:Not an iPad Pro Review: Why iPadOS Still Doesn't Get the ... by nativeit on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @05:37AM (#40353274)
You just changed my life.
Re:Not an iPad Pro Review: Why iPadOS Still Doesn't Get the ... by gcanyon on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @06:44PM (#40361007)
This is not in any way a criticism of you: it is positively absurd how many people are unaware of this. As bad as text editing is for those who know most of the tricks, the fact that many of the tricks are unknown to a substantial number of people is off-the-charts bad on Apple.
Re:Not an iPad Pro Review: Why iPadOS Still Doesn't Get the ... by cableshaft on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @08:58PM (#40361919)
Thank you. Had no idea this existed.
Re:Not an iPad Pro Review: Why iPadOS Still Doesn't Get the ... by zimpenfish on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @05:01AM (#40353054)
> why isn't there a keyboard shortcut to access the clipboard?

You can tap and hold with three fingers to bring up the clipboard bar which has icons for undo, redo, cut, copy, and paste. Assuming that's what you mean by "access the clipboard"?

Re:Not an iPad Pro Review: Why iPadOS Still Doesn't Get the ... by anileated on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @05:11AM (#40353126)
You don’t actually need to hold, just a three-finger tap (anywhere on screen, except keyboard itself) is enough.
Re:Not an iPad Pro Review: Why iPadOS Still Doesn't Get the ... by gcanyon on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @08:52AM (#40354680)
Ooh, this is a neat trick, thanks!
Re:Not an iPad Pro Review: Why iPadOS Still Doesn't Get the ... by anileated on Friday May 17, 2024 @04:31AM (#40387674)
Personally, I almost never use it since I often operate single-handed and it is not part of my muscle memory. Tapping the cursor then waiting a second or so for regular context menu (with lookup, translate and other options) is my preferred way.
Re:Not an iPad Pro Review: Why iPadOS Still Doesn't Get the ... by maccard on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @05:46AM (#40353334)
> It takes me repeated taps on a text entry to get the popover that allows me to paste

I copy and pasted this on an iPhone - I tapped the comment box which summoned the keyboard, and I tapped again and it gave me Paste/Autofill as options.

> On Android, I had a keyboard that allowed me to swipe on the space bar to move the cursor, why can't I have that here?

This is out of the box functionality on iOS. I had a samsung device before, and I had no end of issues with the keyboard failing to summon, certain apps refusing to use my preferred keyboard, password managers not working properly, inconsistent selection/focus/edit dialog behaviour. I don't get _any_ of those issues with iOS.

Re:Not an iPad Pro Review: Why iPadOS Still Doesn't Get the ... by anileated on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @05:01AM (#40353055)
> It takes me repeated taps on a text entry to get the popover that allows me to paste

> I often find it impossible to drag a selection to select more or less characters.

Your description reminds me of how it felt after that recent OS update I mentioned, until I realized I can turn off spellchecker to restore the previous typing behaviour. Now the copy/paste popover and drag-selection work every time, but I have to really watch for typos.

Like me, you were used to previous behaviour, and the new one is unfamiliar to the point of broken. I agree that Apple has royally screwed up here by making this the default behavior in iOS 17.

However, it’s a bit disingenuous to say it was always broken if it only started working differently in the latest version.

> why isn't there a keyboard shortcut to access the clipboard

On iPad, if you bring up a large keyboard by pinch-zooming the small one, you get those buttons on screen keyboard. (On an external keyboard, the normal macOS copy-paste key combos work always.)