Re:J.G. Ballard predicted the rise of social media (2016)
by fitsumbelay on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @12:31PM
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I _believe_ it was in Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash where a pair of 7 year old brother-sister twins used complimentary and contradictory postings -- sometimes assuming eachother's identities or creating new ones -- in newsgroups to influence public opinion. When disinfo on Facebook and Twitter went nuclear in 2015 -2016 those fictional siblings were first to mind
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Re:J.G. Ballard predicted the rise of social media (2016)
by tejtm on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @12:47PM
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In Orson Scott Card's "Enders Game" as well.
Children had been bred and trained to be tactical
so Ender's siblings applied their talents locally
to manipulate geopolitics as a side story.
Re:J.G. Ballard predicted the rise of social media (2016)
by fitsumbelay on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @06:22PM
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I think that's actually what I'm thinking of.
I think they were Ender's siblings, actually
Thanks, you saved me from re-reading Count Zero too
Re:J.G. Ballard predicted the rise of social media (2016)
by mcculley on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @12:40PM
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I think you are thinking of "Locke" and "Demosthenes" in Ender’s Game.
Re:J.G. Ballard predicted the rise of social media (2016)
by notahacker on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @01:17PM
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The reality of which was best summarised by https://xkcd.com/635/
Re:J.G. Ballard predicted the rise of social media (2016)
by seryoiupfurds on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @01:40PM
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It's ironic how that comic aged far more poorly than the original premise it made fun of.
By 2016, anonymous online political commentary was directly influencing major world events.
Re:J.G. Ballard predicted the rise of social media (2016)
by notahacker on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @03:27PM
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By 2016, we'd realised that the way to influence people with anonymous political commentary was to do the exact opposite of producing detailed, well-reasoned arguments...
Re:J.G. Ballard predicted the rise of social media (2016)
by MichaelZuo on Wednesday May 08, 2024 @12:36AM
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Were there "detailed, well-reasoned arguments" before?
Just looking at political commentary from the 80s and 90s, it's mostly nonsense.
Re:J.G. Ballard predicted the rise of social media (2016)
by Apocryphon on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @04:24PM
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I'm a huge xkcd hater, but I would give that strip credit for unintentionally capturing a snapshot of the internet. Most anonymous WordPress blogs languished in obscurity, truly people's live journals that no one cared to comment on, let alone add you to their blogroll. That era of discourse has been superseded by far louder (and dumb and obnoxious) Mediums.
Re:J.G. Ballard predicted the rise of social media (2016)
by julianeon on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @03:22PM
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I mean only in the aggregate, only if you got a big community to do it or got picked up and amplified by a political leader. I can't think of any anonymous blog posts which changed the world. Movements like Anonymous have had an impact, but there's a more to that than online screeds. The closest analog might be Q, aka an anon like Ron Watkins, but that itself was swept up in a larger movement that pushed and pulled in all sorts of different directions.
To me the idea of kids posting on Internet forums and becoming major political leaders through their pseudonyms, through logical language like a modern-day version of the Federalist Papers, does seem pretty silly in 2024.
Re:J.G. Ballard predicted the rise of social media (2016)
by Apocryphon on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @04:25PM
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Heck, book-length political treatises by anonymous insiders barely got any traction
Re:J.G. Ballard predicted the rise of social media (2016)
by fitsumbelay on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @06:32PM
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Fair point about it being in aggregate would what an aggregation it was back in 2014, 2015 and 2016. And it was a mix of groups and goals -- some were partisans who intentionally disinformed while others were apolitical and driven by opportunism and greed. maybe there was some overlap, maybe some codependence. But they certainly changed the world imho by preventing what would've been a more responsible Clinton Administration from managing the pandemic in the US for example.
Re:J.G. Ballard predicted the rise of social media (2016)
by vitalurk on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @08:57PM
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You should check out the Bitcoin whitepaper.
Re:J.G. Ballard predicted the rise of social media (2016)
by fitsumbelay on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @06:23PM
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true
Re:J.G. Ballard predicted the rise of social media (2016)
by labrador on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @12:40PM
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I think you have it backwards. Snow Crash was published in 1992. The article references things Ballard said in the 70's and 80's
Re:J.G. Ballard predicted the rise of social media (2016)
by DiggyJohnson on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @01:05PM
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I don't think GP is making a point about which came first or whatnot. Just sharing a connection they made.
Re:J.G. Ballard predicted the rise of social media (2016)
by labrador on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @01:16PM
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My apologies then
Re:J.G. Ballard predicted the rise of social media (2016)
by fitsumbelay on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @06:25PM
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thanks, no problem