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Re:1950s Sci-Fi Style Computers, Powered by a Z80, Built in ... by boffinAudio on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @09:02AM (#40284955)
A delightful design with shades of inspiration from the Computer Space [0] cabinet .. I wonder if anyone ported that to the 6500?

Would be delightful to find one of these in some dusty warehouse somewhere. Something is really missing in todays computing environment, which is somehow very evident in the old ways.

[0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Space

Re:1950s Sci-Fi Style Computers, Powered by a Z80, Built in ... by zelos on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @09:13AM (#40285047)
Beautiful hardware, but wouldn't a 3.5MHz Z80 have been underpowered for a server in the early 80s? That's the CPU in a Spectrum 48k, not exactly a high end machine in 1982.
Re:1950s Sci-Fi Style Computers, Powered by a Z80, Built in ... by retrac on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @10:28AM (#40285899)
That depends a lot on what you want to use it for. A Z80 can stream data to/from RAM at several hundred kilobytes a second, do binary search at tens of kilobytes per second, or calculate hundreds of floating point values a second with a softfloat library.

For basic word processing on a terminal, that is fast enough to support potentially dozens of simultaneous users. There were a number of software packages in the 1980s that would run a virtual machine interpreter, providing a multitasking multiuser environment with integrated high level languages, databases, office applications, etc. on 8-bit microprocessor hardware. Also plenty fast for a print server or similar, at that time. But, on the other hand, the 64 KB address space isn't really enough to fit even a basic optimizing compiler.

Re:1950s Sci-Fi Style Computers, Powered by a Z80, Built in ... by rbanffy on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @10:37AM (#40286026)
Depends on how much the Z-80 is doing. You can go the C-64/Atari way where the filesystem is running on the disk drive and the main CPU just runs the applications.
Re:1950s Sci-Fi Style Computers, Powered by a Z80, Built in ... by DerekL on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @08:27PM (#40293084)
On Atari 8-bits, the filesystem ran on the computer itself. There was an MOS 6507 processor in the drive, but that was for communicating on the SIO bus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_1050

Re:1950s Sci-Fi Style Computers, Powered by a Z80, Built in ... by rbanffy on Friday May 10, 2024 @03:11PM (#40322791)
Fascinating. I wonder if one could fit a filesystem in the floppy ROM - this would free up memory in the host computer for other operations, and allow extended functionality in the filesystem that's absent from existing implementations.
Re:1950s Sci-Fi Style Computers, Powered by a Z80, Built in ... by chasil on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @10:06AM (#40285606)
There was a multiuser version of CP/M, so why not?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP/M

Re:1950s Sci-Fi Style Computers, Powered by a Z80, Built in ... by guenthert on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @10:30AM (#40285939)
No, not high end by any means, but when running some basic business software (think rudimentary CRM, inventory management and spread sheets), quite possibly written in BASIC, chances are the floppy disks, daisy wheel printer and (few) attached 9600bps terminals would be the bottleneck.

Those things didn't compete with a Cray, they competed with a filing cabinet, desk top calculator and typewriter.

Re:1950s Sci-Fi Style Computers, Powered by a Z80, Built in ... by kjs3 on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @09:55AM (#40285507)
Consider the time. A 'server' usually meant 'shared file and print', not so much applications (or at least limited ones). And the disks were a couple of orders of magnitude slower than they are now. So you had a lot less overhead and could heavily optimize for smaller numbers of use cases (which made Novell very successful for a good while, tho not on z80). Also, networks were a lot slower. Ethernet had just been introduced and hadn't taken over the world. Most nets were some sort of serial network (< ~1Mbps) or maybe Arcnet (~2.5Mbps). So, yeah...there were Z80 servers. MP/M was a common operating system for them, but as we see it wasn't the only one.
Re:1950s Sci-Fi Style Computers, Powered by a Z80, Built in ... by snakeyjake on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @04:16PM (#40290962)
Never underestimate the obsession Europeans had with the Z80.
Re:1950s Sci-Fi Style Computers, Powered by a Z80, Built in ... by noisy_boy on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @09:18AM (#40285098)
For a second I thought somebody built it today using the same design with modern innards.
Re:1950s Sci-Fi Style Computers, Powered by a Z80, Built in ... by rbanffy on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @10:35AM (#40285994)
Someone should.
Re:1950s Sci-Fi Style Computers, Powered by a Z80, Built in ... by rwmj on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @09:33AM (#40285245)
Those computers are terrifying. They remind of The Triffids. (https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/2609-the-day-of-the-triffids/i...)
Re:1950s Sci-Fi Style Computers, Powered by a Z80, Built in ... by techload on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @09:33AM (#40285247)
I get this when accessing the page: "Notice to users in Brazil Because of Brazilian government demands to remove creators from our platform, Locals is currently unavailable in Brazil We are challenging these government demands and hope to restore access soon"
Re:1950s Sci-Fi Style Computers, Powered by a Z80, Built in ... by MeteorMarc on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @09:49AM (#40285432)
Nice story! The debt of 3.5 M NLG should be converted to 1.7 M dollar, not 7 M.
Re:1950s Sci-Fi Style Computers, Powered by a Z80, Built in ... by englishrookie on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @09:56AM (#40285510)
There's a Holborn 6110 terminal on display in the Home Computer Museum in Helmond, Netherlands, apparently: https://www.homecomputermuseum.nl/collectie/holborn/holborn-...
Re:1950s Sci-Fi Style Computers, Powered by a Z80, Built in ... by kazinator on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @10:17AM (#40285754)
They don't look like 1950's sci-fi style to me, but quite later.
Re:1950s Sci-Fi Style Computers, Powered by a Z80, Built in ... by Finnucane on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @10:34AM (#40285988)
It's very jet age/high modernism, which suggests a kind of late 1950s-early 1960s vibe. Like you'd expect these in the Eero Saarinen TWA terminal at JFK.
Re:1950s Sci-Fi Style Computers, Powered by a Z80, Built in ... by fjfaase on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @10:35AM (#40285989)
I have seen several of these myself. The last time at MCH2023 [1]. The hacker space TkkrLab used to own one [2]. I think they have disposed of it, because it was just collecting dust.

[1] https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mch2022-computermu...

[2] https://wiki.tkkrlab.nl/tkkrlab.nl/wiki/Holborn_6110.html

Re:1950s Sci-Fi Style Computers, Powered by a Z80, Built in ... by TrueGeek on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @10:46AM (#40286168)
> Note: The “Holborn” name is to signify that these computers were “Born in Holland”. Hol. Born.

Not entirely accurate as the company was in Hengelo, Overijssel but "Overborn" just doesn't have the same ring to it.

Re:1950s Sci-Fi Style Computers, Powered by a Z80, Built in ... by drewcoo on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @12:09PM (#40287529)
Far too small and not enough blinkenlights for 1950s SF.
Re:1950s Sci-Fi Style Computers, Powered by a Z80, Built in ... by RetroTechie on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @02:37PM (#40289771)
Looking at photo of the inside, that's a lot of IC's + wiring for a machine with those specs. And all in chunky, custom designed housings.

Must have cost a lot to design & assemble those. No wonder they went bankrupt.

Still sad though. Absolutely iconic design. These machines must have featured in a movie or 2?