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Re:The book Kubrick tried to kill by jfkrirj on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @05:35AM (#40283778)
Maybe he was completely happy working for one of the most important directors in history, who most likely treated him very well
Re:The book Kubrick tried to kill by Hikikomori on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @05:59AM (#40283895)
Maybe he was happy doing it but it doesn't mean that he was treated well. That era of director dictators caused a lot of suffering.
Re:The book Kubrick tried to kill by jan3024 on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @06:37AM (#40284075)
Jesus caused a lot of suffering. It doesn’t make him bad or a dictator. Movies used to be better.
Re:The book Kubrick tried to kill by timdiggerm on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @08:26AM (#40284662)
What a weird comparison.
Re:The book Kubrick tried to kill by FrustratedMonky on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @08:27AM (#40284670)
"doesn’t make him bad"

Doesn't it though?

Re:The book Kubrick tried to kill by Hikikomori on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @08:30AM (#40284686)
Did Jesus himself do that directly?

I mean directors like Kubrick, Hitchcock and John Landis that acted like dictators. See twilight zone accident.

Re:The book Kubrick tried to kill by jfkrirj on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @06:02AM (#40283910)
he could go work in an office or a cafe. i'm sure there the assistant bosses around the manager

also, why are people who complain about bosses complaining, also complain about every petty detail online? like 24/7? you'd be very irritable bosses

Re:The book Kubrick tried to kill by Hikikomori on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @06:24AM (#40284009)
So you believe that what OP wrote is normal boss behaviour? I wouldn't want to work for you.
Re:The book Kubrick tried to kill by fidotron on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @06:50AM (#40284127)
Normal bosses don’t get Kubrick like results.
Re:The book Kubrick tried to kill by zoky on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @08:15AM (#40284573)
Kubrick’s results were all over the map. He made maybe three great films:

Dr. Strangelove

Full Metal Jacket

A Clockwork Orange

A bunch of not bad films:

2001

Lolita

Barry Lyndon

The Shining

Spartacus

One real turd of a film:

Eyes Wide Shut

And a bunch of forgettable filler:

All the other films he made.

Compare this to the Anti-Kubrick, Clint Eastwood, who made:

Unforgiven

Mystic River

Million Dollar Baby

Letters From Iwo Jima

Gran Torino

And a bunch of okay films:

Pretty much everything else

And it’s pretty obvious that you don’t need to be an abusive taskmaster like Kubrick to make great art.

Re:The book Kubrick tried to kill by hrhfisk on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @08:49AM (#40284847)
sorry but Eastwood is not in the same league as Kubrick, by a long mile.

just ask reddit and reverse the results to know who is better

Re:The book Kubrick tried to kill by fidotron on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @09:41AM (#40285338)
Note to self: In future it's definitely best to respond to all bait with "just ask reddit".
Re:The book Kubrick tried to kill by iknownthing on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @09:00AM (#40284942)
2001 was "not bad"????
Re:The book Kubrick tried to kill by gspencley on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @09:38AM (#40285299)
Jumping into this with a "spicy" personal opinion.

How I would rate 2001 depends entirely on my criteria.

For cinematography and vfx I would give it an 11 out of 10. Ground breaking.

For story and entertainment, I'd give it a -1. It is an anti-film in that sense. The most mind-numbingly boring and drawn out piece of "film" that I have ever had the displeasure of trying to sit through.

And I say that as a self-professed film nerd. I admire Kubrick a lot. But I can't stand 2001, at least when I judge it by the same criteria that I judge other films.

Film is visual story telling. Emphasis on "story."

Putting aside Dave & Hal (which make their appearance so late into the "film" that I've already been asleep for 3 hours - yes I'm exaggerating), when you take away identifiable protaganoists and antagonists, with backstories, goals, motivations and obstacles what you are left with is more of an exhibition.

2001 was more of a 1960s speculative endeavour into humanity's future at the dawn of the space age than it was a story told through imagery. It lacked plot, character development, relatibility and it's pacing was so slow and drawn out that it's hard to maintain your attention throughout.

When you judge it for what it was, there is a lot of greatness there. Many of its visual effects were truly groundbreaking and influenced filmmaking for decades to come.

But when you compare it to films that you actually want to re-watch for entertainment value ... I would put it in the "awful" category. But that's just my personal opinion.

Re:The book Kubrick tried to kill by iknownthing on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @12:21PM (#40287712)
> It lacked plot, character development, relatibility

Kubrick definitely did not play by those rules.

Re:The book Kubrick tried to kill by Hikikomori on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @09:57AM (#40285517)
2001 is art but its also like watching paint dry.
Re:The book Kubrick tried to kill by hrhfisk on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @09:04AM (#40284970)
2001 Lolita Barry Lyndon The Shining Spartacus

these "mid" films would be among the top 10 ever easily

but according to him "tough" guy Eastwood can surpass it

Re:The book Kubrick tried to kill by Hikikomori on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @08:35AM (#40284738)
Weinstein also got a lot of good movies made, probably more than Kubrick. Sexual abuse and rape is fine and forgiven I guess.
Re:The book Kubrick tried to kill by CamperBob2 on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @11:07AM (#40286551)
That's impressive. The ratio of offensiveness to word count is off the charts. Hats off, I guess.
Re:The book Kubrick tried to kill by hrhfisk on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @07:13AM (#40284248)
I wouldn't want you as an employee in the first place.

Security, escort this guy out of the building.

Re:The book Kubrick tried to kill by gspencley on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @09:44AM (#40285372)
I don't think there's a lot of people that wanted to work for Kubrick. But I also have an easy time accepting that there are many people out there that will make great sacrifices for something that they love and believe in.

MMA fighters, for example, put themselves at tremendous risk because they're chasing their own personal ideas of "greatness." And there are many examples of "struggling artists" throughout history that gave up on relationships and money because they were chasing something that they believed in.

I'm not defending Kubrick's managerial style, and I don't know anything about the individual that they are talking about and what drove him. I just don't have any difficulty imagining that this person believed in something very personal that he was chasing. Something that the rest of us can't relate to but that meant a great deal to him. We don't have to imagine that Kubrick had him brainwashed or "enslaved" to accept that he could have made a personal choice that the rest of us are incapable of understanding, in pursuit of a value that he held above all others, because it was a deeply personal choice.

Re:The book Kubrick tried to kill by sevagh on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @10:16AM (#40285739)
>MMA fighters, for example, put themselves at tremendous risk because they're chasing their own personal ideas of "greatness." And there are many examples of "struggling artists" throughout history that gave up on relationships and money because they were chasing something that they believed in.

MMA fighters generally chase their own glory, to get their own hand raised in the ring. Not become a personal servant to another person's ego.

Re:The book Kubrick tried to kill by gspencley on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @11:17AM (#40286720)
Agreed but you're missing the point, which is that the individual might have so believed in Kubrik's art that he wanted to make personal sacrifices in pursuit of that. For all we know (and others undoubtedly know more about the story than I do), this man might have actually been in love Kubrik and wanted nothing more than to be close to what he perceived as "greatness."

I'm not even saying whether I think it's morally right or wrong. Only that it's not hard to imagine the scenario.

Re:The book Kubrick tried to kill by Hikikomori on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @12:12PM (#40287577)
You're missing the point, abuse is bad even if the abused accepts it for whatever reason. You can achieve great things without abusing people, it's not a requirement.

Your MMA example is also missing the imbalanced power dynamic that you usually have in an abusive relationship.

Re:The book Kubrick tried to kill by voltaireodactyl on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @03:07PM (#40290152)
The MMA market is a near monopoly. Ask the employees of the WWE (née WWF) whether that constitutes an abusive relationship.