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Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by twixfel on Monday May 06, 2024 @09:43AM (#40274591)
>Why not? I mean... why is attacking iraq for nonexisting WMDs acceptable, but attacking ukraine for killing minorities in it's own country isn't? I mean.. didn't nato bomb yugoslavia for that same reason?

I don't think the invasion of Iraq was a good thing or acceptable.

But you very clearly seem to think the invasion and genocide in Ukraine is acceptable.

We are not the same.

Anyway you've let your mask slip, you're pro war and pro genocide. I'm glad you're seething on Hacker News about so-called "western hypocrisy". It means my countries are doing something to piss yours off. Good. Have a nice life and carry on seething. Good luck in getting toilet installed in beautiful hut/house/shack. Hopefully it is your turn on waiting list.

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by ajsnigrutin on Monday May 06, 2024 @09:51AM (#40274677)
> I don't think the invasion of Iraq was a good thing or acceptable.

But it was. Nothing happened to anyone, no courts, trials, no jail time for any of the politicians, no nothing. So we, as a "western society" (or whatever you might call us) deem such invasions acceptable. Not just that, but we conduct new ones after that. So yeah, if you do something, officially, with documentation, public money, public employees, and nothing happens, how is it not acceptable?

I mean... if it's not acceptable, why did WE do it then? Assuming you're old enough, you literally financed people getting killed there with your taxes.

> But you very clearly seem to think the invasion and genocide in Ukraine is acceptable.

In the same way as iraq was. But we're not the ones attacking now, and we're bothered by that, so we're using even more money to get more people killed in this war.

I have a toilet, and my taxes are going to ukraine to prolong this war, as they went to helping the occupiers of iraq, and are still going to syria (we have soldiers there too). We had to run away from afghanistan a few years ago though... it just cost us and our 'friends' a trillion to replace the taliban with the taliban there, and kill a lot of locals. Apparently, that's acceptable too, since noone is in jail for that war.

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by twixfel on Monday May 06, 2024 @10:02AM (#40274808)
Seems like a good deal to me if you're worried about money rather than lives: give money to Ukraine, keep Russian dictatorship at bay, before it invades other parts of Europe.

So cheer up, your taxes are not being wasted, they are saving you money in the long run by keeping Russia from invading Europe even more.

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by ajsnigrutin on Monday May 06, 2024 @10:06AM (#40274852)
But ukraine is using that money to kill their own men who don't want to fight. Why don't you go and fight instead, and risk your own life instead of forcing them to do it?

Considering the sitation in ukraine, we've wasted a lot of money and a lot of ukranian men for what exactly?

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by mopsi on Monday May 06, 2024 @10:14AM (#40274944)
> Considering the sitation in ukraine, we've wasted a lot of money and a lot of ukranian men for what exactly?

The alternative is that Russia rolls over Ukraine, murders between few hundred thousand and few million people to enforce the occupation, and then decimates Ukrainian male population by using them as cannon fodder against Poland and other European countries. Please explain me how this is any better.

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by ajsnigrutin on Monday May 06, 2024 @10:22AM (#40275032)
I mean sure... it's their choice. If they want to fight against that, sure, let them volounteer and fight. If you can't get any more people to fight without literally forcing them, then you obviously don't have enough "democractic" support for a fight anymore (at least not from the ones whose opinions should matter), and should start looking at the negotiating table.
Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by mopsi on Monday May 06, 2024 @10:39AM (#40275224)
This is only going to get more people killed.
Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by ajsnigrutin on Monday May 06, 2024 @10:48AM (#40275342)
If you believe that, then put your life where your mouth is, and go fight. If you want to live, let others live too.

Even during the WW2, a few countries capitulated with the germans and survived, even eg. france. On the other hand, a bunch of those countries (even france), no go half a planet away to kill people over there, and there is no support to those countries to fight harder against the french. And france is far from the only country that does that in europe, not to even mention the USA.

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by mopsi on Monday May 06, 2024 @11:02AM (#40275498)
I don't have to volunteer anywhere; I already face rising odds that I'll be conscripted even before this year is out.

As to France and other countries occupied by Nazis, capitulation meant a ride to death camp for some, slave labor to others, starvation and oppression for all. France was used as a staging ground for the Battle of Britain and for the aborted invasion of British Isles, and served as a base of operations for submarines attacking allied convoys in the Atlantic ocean. France didn't regain freedom until massive landings on Normandy beaches and fierce fighting through the country by soldiers who were mostly conscripts and not there on their own will, so I don't understand what it was meant to prove.

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by DiggyJohnson on Monday May 06, 2024 @01:04PM (#40276811)
> We are not the same.

> Anyway you've let your mask slip, you're pro war and pro genocide.

You should consider the the site guidelines. This is completely unacceptable. How can you be so comfortable seeing the world in black and white?

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by twixfel on Monday May 06, 2024 @01:06PM (#40276826)
That person is literally defending the invasion of Ukraine, justifying it in terms of "protecting Russian minorities being killed".

How can you be so comfortable casting everything as exactly the same shade of grey, even when it is not always the same shade of grey?

How about you consider the site guidelines, if you're defending that person?

Don't troll by acting like a neutral observer when you clearly agree with him. Thanks. That's bad faith, and goes against side guidelines.

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by DiggyJohnson on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @09:10AM (#40285016)
Explanation isn't excuse. You're confounding the two.
Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by twixfel on Wednesday May 08, 2024 @05:47PM (#40303019)
Carry on trying to hit me over the head with the Hacker News rule book whilst turning a blind eye and saying literally nothing to that guy's genocide apologism. You have beclowned yourself.
Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by corinroyal on Monday May 06, 2024 @08:54PM (#40281162)
Speak for yourself. The conclusion was reasonable.