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Re:NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties t... by eej71 on Monday May 06, 2024 @09:18AM (#40274278)
I've often wondered if our complete demonization of all smoking was a bit of a disservice to the sporadic smoke that likely helped with managing one's weight which has its own health benefits.
Re:NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties t... by lenerdenator on Monday May 06, 2024 @09:22AM (#40274328)
The problem came from the fact that sporadic smoking didn't serve the profits of tobacco companies in the way they would have liked.

The shoving of high-fructose corn syrup and other calorie-rich ingredients into everything sold in the US to increase consumption (again, for profits) has a much greater impact on weight management, though.

Re:NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties t... by cycomanic on Monday May 06, 2024 @11:01AM (#40275485)
And the ones responsible are the same. Much of the obesity crisis is caused by tobacco companies investing in food and employing the same advertisement and lobbying tactics as before [1]. The penalties were too light, really the behaviour should have resulted in serious jail time and confiscation of all assets.

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/wellness/2023/09/19/addiction...

Re:NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties t... by slibhb on Monday May 06, 2024 @10:50AM (#40275363)
> The shoving of high-fructose corn syrup and other calorie-rich ingredients into everything sold in the US to increase consumption (again, for profits) has a much greater impact on weight management, though.

It doesn't have to be some conspiracy to make people addicted to calories. People are (relatively) rich, food is cheap, and eating feels good.

Re:NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties t... by impossiblefork on Monday May 06, 2024 @11:08AM (#40275558)
If people are genuinely happy they don't start doing things to excess. Eating to excess is usually an attempt to distract oneself from something else, a 'cope'.

That only happens in a society that is not rich and happy.

If people are actually rich and happy you see them take up expensive sports, golf, tennis, horseback riding. They rarely get fat unless there's something personally wrong with them.

Re:NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties t... by rayiner on Monday May 06, 2024 @12:39PM (#40276539)
You’re projecting culturally-determined views about what “rich and happy” people do onto others. Rich people taking up sports and eating in moderation is a WASP thing. It’s much less of a thing in the south. And it’s not a thing at all in say the Indian subcontinent, where it’s unusual for adults to play sports.
Re:NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties t... by impossiblefork on Monday May 06, 2024 @02:29PM (#40277893)
I don't think so.

Swedes aren't WASPs, but we are this way. I think Spanish people and Germans are too. I agree that it is as you say in India, but surely both Indian-Americans and Asian-American must become a bit this other way, since they'll probably work with many WASPs, and surely they get affected by media and general societal expectations?

Re:NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties t... by rayiner on Monday May 06, 2024 @06:48PM (#40280381)
I was talking about American subgroups. The moralizing around sports and exercise tends to be a WASP thing (which refers specifically to northeastern WASPs, not anyone who fits the literal definition of the term). Among Asian Americans it depends on where you are—they tend to assimilate into the local culture.

My point is that suggesting that people who eat and gain weight must be unhappy and coping, because happy rich people play sports, is a culturally based assumption. American WASPs and Northern Europeans absolutely stand out in that respect. Even in East Asian cultures with strong social pressure to not gain weight, adults playing sports isn’t common.

Re:NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties t... by impossiblefork on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @05:07PM (#40291494)
Why do you say moralising? Surely sports are something people do because they're fun, and prestige sports, to demonstrate skill, finesse and the kind of complete capability that engaging in the sport at a high level requires.

I think when people have more of their needs fulfilled, it becomes more rational to tackle the final bits. When you're poor, you care about food and having somewhere to live, then at an intermediate level it's about paying the bills and not falling down into the poverty hole, then at a higher level it's succeeding at university, doing good research, making a successful company, but when you have all that, and you can't lose any of these things, then you start also wanting other things, and then playing sports reasonably often becomes extremely natural.

If someone is getting fat, or eating to excess, there has to be something wrong. Something stressing them, something they want to turn away from, to distract themselves. Happy people don't have such needs.

Re:NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties t... by leononame on Monday May 06, 2024 @11:00AM (#40275472)
I think my GP isn't suggesting that it's a conspiracy at all. Just that sugar is in almost every where you can put it even if it doesn't need it just to hook you on sugar a bit more.
Re:NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties t... by itsoktocry on Monday May 06, 2024 @10:12AM (#40274923)
>The shoving of high-fructose corn syrup and other calorie-rich ingredients into everything sold in the US to increase consumption (again, for profits)

Do you have any evidence of this conspiracy? Perhaps it's just food producers adding an abundant, cheap sweetener to their crap because that's what the market demands?

Read the ingredients and buy or don't buy. People need to have a bit of personal accountability in these things.

Re:NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties t... by shermantanktop on Monday May 06, 2024 @10:51AM (#40275373)
Better yet, buy the ingredients and make your own. Most food is not hard to make from scratch, tastes better, and is healthier because you see what goes into it and can choose to moderate elements.

But it takes a little time and a bit of care.

Re:NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties t... by lenerdenator on Monday May 06, 2024 @01:58PM (#40277481)
The time is the rub.

If you're stuck in traffic for time measured in hours, you're not baking fresh bread during the week.

Re:NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties t... by mrybczyn on Monday May 06, 2024 @10:50AM (#40275360)
LOL "the market demands". Sure, and Opium was also demanded by the market, should we just add it to all food items?
Re:NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties t... by slibhb on Monday May 06, 2024 @10:53AM (#40275401)
No we shouldn't. But we also shouldn't pretend that demand for opium is manufactured by evil people. There's high demand for opium because it makes people feel really good.

The same thing is true for junk food. People eat it because it tastes good. How much food should be regulated is up for debate but there's something irritating about this reflex to blame every problem on some shadowy cabal of rich people.

Re:NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties t... by redserk on Monday May 06, 2024 @10:48AM (#40275325)
Where are you finding many options in products without HFCS or additives?

Even the much-higher-end supermarkets near me don't have meaningful alternatives for a lot of products where I am, and I'm in a HCOL area.

Re:NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties t... by bombcar on Monday May 06, 2024 @11:31AM (#40275827)
I've not yet been unable to find something without corn syrup (I don't feel that "high fructose" or not changes how much of a filler it is), but it can be a pain in the ass to read the ingredients on everything on the shelf.

If I were FDA dictator for a day, I'd requite a corn logo on anything with corn syrup, and crossed corn for anything with HFCS.

Now calorie inflation can be done with sugar, too - the real deal is to have things that aren't "diabetes inducing sweet".

Re:NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties t... by astura on Monday May 06, 2024 @12:01PM (#40276148)
What sort of products are you looking for?

I read the ingredients on everything (I'm a vegetarian) and I don't buy anything with corn syrup or sugar that isn't a once-in-a-while treat.

Re:NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties t... by lenerdenator on Monday May 06, 2024 @01:54PM (#40277428)
I'm not saying it's a conspiracy. I'm saying it's fact. Humans like sweet foods because with the exception of felids, pretty much every species on the planet gains a survival advantage by consuming as many calories as possible when eating. This means that our brains feel rewarded when we eat sugary foods, and rewarded behavior is repeated behavior. That wasn't a problem when such foods were rare but now that they're available pretty much anywhere on-demand, yeah, it's a problem.

Personal accountability can only go so far when you're shown ads for sugary cereals and candy every morning as a kid.

Contrast that with, say, the current marijuana market in my region. It's regulated, it's only available at a relatively high price from licensed dispensaries. There are billboards but not much in the way of TV or radio ads. It's not marketed to kids. If you get addicted to marijuana in the Lower Midwestern US, that's a lack of personal accountability because you can't point to all of the stuff that's used to make junk food popular and say "they got me addicted!".

Re:NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties t... by EasyMark on Monday May 06, 2024 @12:02PM (#40276158)
I highly doubt "the sporadic" smoke helped anyone with weight. More and more sugar and other junk has been dumped into our food to make it tastier than the competition and society has taught us to "just grab something" rather than taking an hour and cooking a meal. We didn't get fat because we smoked less. I'm sure a few did but all evidence points at reduced exercise and more junk stuff into our mouth holes as the culprit.