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Re:MIT abandons use of DEI statements by jimbokun on Sunday May 05, 2024 @08:39PM (#40269997)
> I can't speak to the experience of being a non-white immigrant, but I've had other forms of this experience. It sucks to be in a job interview where you have a great skill set that matches the role and a lot of relevant experience, but it's clear that the only thing the recruiter cares about is that you could add gender diversity to a team.

But this is the dominant strain of DEI thinking today, and why it's seeing such a backlash.

The over riding DEI principle is that every profession, every organization, every role, must somehow have exactly the demographic breakdown of the society as a whole.

A moment's thought reveals why this is impractical to impossible, especially in the short to medium term. But this is how everything is evaluated through a DEI lens. Every discussion devolves just to counting how many people of each kind of group are represented in whichever topic is under discussion.

All the stuff about eliminating barriers is just the motte for this Bailey.

Re:MIT abandons use of DEI statements by Dylan16807 on Monday May 06, 2024 @12:11AM (#40271078)
> The over riding DEI principle is that every profession, every organization, every role, must somehow have exactly the demographic breakdown of the society as a whole.

No it's not. That's a dumb strawman.

But we should have a starting position of being extremely skeptical of any big group that has a significantly different breakdown, especially if it's different in the specific ways that fit common discrimination.

Re:MIT abandons use of DEI statements by jimbokun on Monday May 06, 2024 @09:17AM (#40274267)
You start out disputing my claim…and end by reinforcing it.
Re:MIT abandons use of DEI statements by Dylan16807 on Monday May 06, 2024 @12:37PM (#40276508)
You don't see the difference between "x must be y always everywhere even in tiny groups" and "start skeptical if x isn't y in big groups"?

I don't know how much simpler I can make this. Those statements are not the same.

Re:MIT abandons use of DEI statements by jazzyjackson on Monday May 06, 2024 @06:34PM (#40280274)
they're the same from the perspective that race is a factor which merits equalizing
Re:MIT abandons use of DEI statements by Dylan16807 on Monday May 06, 2024 @07:06PM (#40280507)
It might need equalizing.

It depends on why the balance is the way it is.

It's good to check sometimes.

Re:MIT abandons use of DEI statements by rebeccaskinner on Sunday May 05, 2024 @08:53PM (#40270085)
> The over riding DEI principle is that every profession, every organization, every role, must somehow have exactly the demographic breakdown of the society as a whole.

I’ve simply never seen this happen, although I’ve seen a lot of accusations of it. In a very large organization you might look at how your organizations demographics compare to industry demographics in different ways, but that’s always been at most an individual data point that elicits further investigation.

Re:MIT abandons use of DEI statements by jimbokun on Sunday May 05, 2024 @11:46PM (#40270960)
I’ve lost count of the number of articles that simply cite disproportionate demographic distributions as proof of discrimination.
Re:MIT abandons use of DEI statements by jazzyjackson on Sunday May 05, 2024 @11:42PM (#40270943)
you've contradicted yourself, that's all the parent was saying, that comparing your demographics with national demographics is used to identify the degree to which your organization needs to institute race quotas
Re:MIT abandons use of DEI statements by Dylan16807 on Monday May 06, 2024 @01:01AM (#40271273)
> that's all the parent was saying

Nuh uh. jimbokun intensified it by a huge amount with those "every" terms and saying "must" and "exactly", describing a mandate that is very stupid and ignorant of statistics in a way that rebeccaskinner's description is not very stupid and ignorant of statistics. Also,

> race quotas

The post you're replying to says "further investigation", not "race quotas".