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Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by jl6 on Sunday May 05, 2024 @04:44PM (#40268167)
How big a share of Palestinian media consumption does Al Jazeera have? As in, do the residents of Gaza treat it as the main news source?

The reason for asking is because a poll[0] of Palestinians says “90% believe that Hamas did not commit any atrocities against Israel civilians during its October the 7th offensive. Only one in five Palestinians has seen videos showing atrocities committed by Hamas.”

So is it Al Jazeera’s fault that Palestinians have not seen the evidence and seem not to think 10/7 was all that problematic? One assumes that if such deliberate distortion/omission was normal practice at Al Jazeera, Israel would be able to clearly point to it. But the justification for the ban is a pretty vague concern about national security.

[0] https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/969

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by JumpCrisscross on Sunday May 05, 2024 @04:56PM (#40268275)
> do the residents of Gaza treat it as the main news source?

Does Gaza have sufficient connectivity for its population to have a real news source?

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by runarberg on Sunday May 05, 2024 @07:03PM (#40269425)
I think they do, as long as their internet connections are up. At least the Gazans I follow on social media seem to be perfectly aware of the world news. Graffiti tags on refugee tents in Rafah thanking American students for their solidarity seems to support that.

I’ve also read in the past that Al Jazeera is a rather popular media outlet among Palestinians in Gaza.

> Pan-Arab satellite TVs, especially Qatar's Al-Jazeera, are popular. [1]

I know that Shireen Abu Akleh—an Al Jazeera journalist murdered by IDF in 2022—was a superstar among Palestinians, including Palestinans in Gaza.

1: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-14631745

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by nailer on Sunday May 05, 2024 @07:02PM (#40269420)
It’s full of malls and beach clubs I imagine they have internet.
Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by I_o_IllI__o_I on Monday May 06, 2024 @05:13AM (#40272717)
Mike, kill yourself and the world will be a better place
Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by glass-z13 on Monday May 06, 2024 @07:55AM (#40273543)
How is the parent comment [flagged] yet this one is not?
Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by avvvv on Monday May 06, 2024 @08:47AM (#40273999)
Now I'm curious as to what they said
Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by catlikesshrimp on Monday May 06, 2024 @10:08AM (#40274877)
Yep, I wish I could read dead comments after a couple clicks. Maybe not vouch for them, but definitely reading them
Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by nailer on Monday May 06, 2024 @07:14PM (#40280552)
They’re referring to me by first name (rather than my handle) and suggesting I kill myself.

I have never previously had such a comment on HN in the last 16 years.

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by dang on Wednesday May 08, 2024 @01:59AM (#40294797)
You can see all [dead] comments if you turn on 'showdead' in your profile.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by nailer on Monday May 06, 2024 @04:30PM (#40279143)
It's bizarre. Gazan social media happily shows the malls and beach clubs, car dealerships, supermarkets etc, that existed before Hamas started the war. There's literally nothing flag-worthy about my comment asides from it debunking a narrative about Gazan life.
Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by wesselbindt on Monday May 06, 2024 @03:20AM (#40272066)
> The reason for asking is because a poll[0] of Palestinians says “90% believe that Hamas did not commit any atrocities against Israel civilians during its October the 7th offensive. Only one in five Palestinians has seen videos showing atrocities committed by Hamas.”

I think they have more pressing matters on their mind than getting informed at the moment, such as trying not to starve, finding dead relatives in the rubble of destroyed apartments, and similar things.

Moreover, I think the people of Palestine might be a bit biased against Israel. And I don't think that's an information issue, I think it's a completely natural response to Israel killing tens of thousands of civilian, 70% of whom women and children.

I think if you ask Ukrainian civilians what they think of Russians you'll hear some falsehoods and unreasonable stuff too. That's a completely natural response, and the Ukrainian media is not to be blamed for that.

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by cs702 on Monday May 06, 2024 @09:04AM (#40274159)
Wow, I did not know until now that 90% (!!!) of Palestinians "believe that Hamas did not commit any atrocities against Israel civilians during its October the 7th offensive," and "only one in five Palestinians has seen videos showing atrocities committed by Hamas." Are they really so misinformed?

If that's true, it makes sense to ask whether Al Jazeera has been purposely feeding misinformation to the Palestinian population during the war. And it makes sense to ask if that is in any way related by Al Jazeera's funding by Qatar, where the leaders of Hamas live: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/qatar-hamas-israel-1.699941...

Thank you for sharing this here.

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by kjkjadksj on Monday May 06, 2024 @12:27PM (#40276436)
Hamas has been in power since 2006 and had reeducated the youth akin to what the hitler youth did. Its no surprise many tow the company line. Majority of people in gaza are under 18 where all they know is that sort of indoctrination.
Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by cs702 on Monday May 06, 2024 @01:20PM (#40276985)
The grandparent comment and my comment are about Palestinians, not Hamas.
Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by cutemonster on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @08:47AM (#40284830)
> did not know until now that 90% (!!!) of Palestinians "believe that Hamas did not commit any atrocities against Israel civilians

I know some Palestinians, and yes, they seem extremely misinformed, clueless about what Hamas did.

I was surprised after October 7 when they seemed to have had no idea about what had happened. They apparently only knew that IDF had started bombing. I might even guessed 95% instead of 90% "believe that Hams did not ...".

Al Jazeera lies by omission -- by not mentioning what Hamas did, and, if it does, then downplaying the numbers.

The Israeli newspapers lie by omission, too: they don't let their readers know how many civilians Netanyahu and IDF has killed in Gaza. Al Jazeera and right wing Israeli newspapers manipulate the Palestinians and Israelis, respectively.

> ask whether Al Jazeera has been purposely feeding misinformation to the Palestinian population during the war

Of course they do