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Re:Songkick (YC S07) raises $4m series A by wheels on Thursday December 18, 2008 @01:27PM (#402414)
Is there actually a technical distinction between a Series A and a seed round? (I've always assumed it was just size and order of progression.) Their last funding was already $1 million, so wouldn't this be more like a small Series B?
Re:Songkick (YC S07) raises $4m series A by mattmaroon on Thursday December 18, 2008 @03:13PM (#402578)
It's arbitrary. A lot of people call the first small equity round a Series AA. My guess is that their first round was either a convertible or a Series AA that was mislabeled as a Series A in Crunchbase. Or this one was a Series B that was mislabed a Series A.

Either way, it doesn't really mean much. And "seed round" is more of a general term. Your Series A could be your seed round. It doesn't have any specific meaning, though in their case I'd assume they would consider the YC funds the seed round.

Re:Songkick (YC S07) raises $4m series A by uuilly on Thursday December 18, 2008 @04:39PM (#402665)
A series A means that you're issuing class A stock. An angel round means your issuing a note that will eventually convert to class A stock, aka a convertible note.

The threshold between an angel round and a series A is determined by your articles of incorporation. It's usually between 2 and 5 million. Before your series A you have no valuation b/c it would be a waste of money to determine it. Once you have matured and you raise enough money to go past the 2 to 5 million "convertible threshold," you get a valuation and issue class A stock to your investors and angels. Your angels convert from a convertible note to class A stock at the pre-money valuation and they get to ride the "valuation bump" the series A investors put in for free.

Ok, I reread this explanation and I hated it. This is how I actually understand it:

// globals

double classAThreashold = callLaywers( "Halp!" );

double outstandingShares = callLawyers( "Oh noes!" );

double amountInvested = 0;

void enterNewInvestment( double newInvestment )

{

    if( newInvestment + amountInvested >= classAThreshold ) {

        double preMoneyValuation = getValuation();

        vector< double > percentagePerInvestor;

        for( int i = 0; i < angelInvestments.size(); ++i ) {

            // convertible notes convert here:

            percentagePerInvestor.push_back( angelInvestments[ i ] / preMoneyValuation );

       }

       percentagePerInvestor.push_back( newInvestment / preMoneyValuation );

       for( int i = 0; i < percentagePerInvestor.size(); ++i ) {

           cout << "Shares for investor # " << i << " " << percentagePerInvestor[ i ] * outstandingShares;
       
       }
       
       cout << "the company is now worth :"  << preMoneyValuation + newInvestment;

    } else {

       angelInvestments.push_back( newInvestment );

    }

    amountInvested += newInvestment;
}

This is how I understand the whole process. It took my lawyers a long time to explain it all to me and I'm probably still screwing something up. Go easy on C++ :)

[updated a few bug fixes]

Re:Songkick (YC S07) raises $4m series A by mattmaroon on Saturday December 20, 2008 @03:53AM (#404423)
Now that I reread that, you're totally wrong. Angels are individual investors. They can and often do participate in equity rounds. They often contribute the entire amount. You can have an angel-funded series A. VCs could also do a convertible. It's called venture debt and it's rare but it happens.

No company that I've ever heard of specifies in their Articles what amount forces a future round to be equity rather than debt. It's all up to the company and investors. If your lawyers told you all of that stuff, seek new representation.

Re:Songkick (YC S07) raises $4m series A by mattmaroon on Thursday December 18, 2008 @05:19PM (#402717)
Our articles of incorporation did not specify what future rounds would be called based on amounts raised at all. I don't think most do. And to my knowledge, there is no law requiring that. I'm pretty sure you can call your first round a Series C if you want to, though it would probably not be a good idea.

My point was that it's a custom, not a law, and the distinction between an AA and an A is arbitrary.

Re:Songkick (YC S07) raises $4m series A by rantfoil on Thursday December 18, 2008 @08:43PM (#402882)
I love the code explanation. grin
Re:Songkick (YC S07) raises $4m series A by mattmaroon on Saturday December 20, 2008 @03:54AM (#404424)
It needs serious debugging.
Re:Songkick (YC S07) raises $4m series A by konsl on Thursday December 18, 2008 @07:37PM (#402821)
According to Nivi, anything above $500K is Series A country: http://venturehacks.com/articles/seed-valuation
Re:Songkick (YC S07) raises $4m series A by fallentimes on Thursday December 18, 2008 @03:13PM (#402579)
AFAIK seed rounds are usually $1 million or less.

Venture hacks is a great source, but I unfortunately couldn't find an exact answer to your question:

http://venturehacks.com/

Re:Songkick (YC S07) raises $4m series A by ian on Friday December 19, 2008 @06:48AM (#403254)
One way in which this can occur is if you raise a seed round in convertible debt which converts into preferred stock at a following Series A.
Re:Songkick (YC S07) raises $4m series A by breck on Thursday December 18, 2008 @01:54PM (#402448)
good question. anyone?
Re:Songkick (YC S07) raises $4m series A by jamescoops on Thursday December 18, 2008 @12:06PM (#402287)
they are good citizens too - running hacker events from their office
Re:Songkick (YC S07) raises $4m series A by axod on Thursday December 18, 2008 @01:55PM (#402450)
Agreed. The one I attended back in April was a great experience and really useful.

Congrats on the funding :D

Re:Songkick (YC S07) raises $4m series A by DaniFong on Thursday December 18, 2008 @02:38PM (#402528)
Congratulations are due for a company that helped tip me off to two rocking nights!
Re:Songkick (YC S07) raises $4m series A by ian on Friday December 19, 2008 @06:45AM (#403250)
Glad to hear it!
Re:Songkick (YC S07) raises $4m series A by adamsmith on Thursday December 18, 2008 @05:44PM (#402750)
Congrats guys!
Re:Songkick (YC S07) raises $4m series A by fallentimes on Thursday December 18, 2008 @12:33PM (#402328)
Wow - congrats guys. And great press following that knock off site covered on TC.
Re:Songkick (YC S07) raises $4m series A by RichardPrice on Friday December 19, 2008 @01:07AM (#403087)
The Songkick team is awesome. Many congratulations.
Re:Songkick (YC S07) raises $4m series A by ian on Friday December 19, 2008 @06:44AM (#403249)
Thanks very much guys for the kind words