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Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by parl_match on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @05:40PM (#40216692)
A law that prevents any FWD vehicle from going over 90 MPH, or offering significant insurance discounts, would go a long way towards reducing fatalities.

There is no reason for any casual motorist to be going 91+MPH on surface streets or highways.

Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by chrismcb on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @06:49PM (#40217400)
How many fatalities are caused by cars traveling in excess of 90 mph? I don't know the number. I am sure it is greater than zero, but I would guess it isn't much larger than that (percentage wise) I'm not sure why you picked 90 mph. But I think any arbitrary number is going to have an issue. The speed isn't the issue. It is the difference in speed between the vehicles on the road at the same time as well as other factors. Consider than the fatality rate on the autobahn is about half of the rate as US.
Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by brian-armstrong on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @05:54PM (#40216875)
There have been cars that can do this and even provide geofenced exceptions for motorsport, e.g. the Nissan GT-R https://www.autoblog.com/2007/12/22/nissan-gt-r-recognizes-t...
Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by blincoln on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @05:50PM (#40216824)
There are freeways in Texas with speed limits of 85 MPH. 5 MPH of wiggle room for emergencies seems like a bad idea IMO.
Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by acdha on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @06:06PM (#40217013)
What emergency do you have in mind where 90mph is too slow? The average driver is far, far more likely to cause another emergency at that speed than avoid one.
Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by gpm on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @06:12PM (#40217061)
I think his idea is that there are times where the safest thing to do is to accelerate out of a dangerous situation on the road. Which is sort of true, but at those speeds most cars tend not to accelerate very quickly so I don't find it particularly convincing.
Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by acdha on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @06:15PM (#40217092)
Yeah, I’m really skeptical just because at that speed human reaction times are so limited. It seems like the guys who said they should have to pay for seatbelts because if they crashed into a lake it might be hard to get out without drowning - true at least once, somewhere, but orders of magnitude less common than the times where a seatbelt kept someone alive.
Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by gpm on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @06:23PM (#40217152)
In lots of situations speed doesn't really limit how much time you have to react, because it's something like "someone is merging into you without noticing you" or "you and someone on the other side of an empty lane both started to merge into it".

But ya, the statistical argument of how often does accelerating out really help, vs. often is someone driving too fast the cause of the danger, seems very relevant.

Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by acdha on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @07:34PM (#40217761)
I was thinking of the only time in 3 decades of driving where speeding up made sense: I was on the 405 in LA and I was behind some guy who had a stack of mattresses poorly tied onto the back of a pickup truck. The top one flew surprisingly high up and I realized that the way it had caught the wind meant that if I braked it would land pretty close to me, so I went under instead and it landed a few car lengths behind me. At 45mph, in my early 20s, driving a sporty car that worked out but at 90mph I don’t think I’d have had time to process it quickly enough. I also note that this was once a long time ago where as I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve been endangered by someone going much too fast or seen the aftermath (cars in buildings, upside down on the wrong side, etc.) so I would in a heartbeat take a world where the extreme speed outliers are gone.
Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by nemonemo on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @05:58PM (#40216916)
Does emergencies make speeding legal for usual cars? I could imagine police cars or ambulances could be exempt from the rule. Also, adjusting the insurance cost based on the speed limiter seems a balanced policy to me regardless of those freeways.
Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by tharkun__ on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @06:53PM (#40217448)
Why imagine? Police cars, ambulances and fire engines already are exempt from speed limits. But only if they actually are rushing to an emergency with lights and horns on. They are also allowed to go through red traffic lights.

Except at night to not wake you up they might not have the horn blaring then. But they also understand how much faster to go, when to have the horn enabled even at night, know to approach a red light slowly even if they have right of way and you are supposed to let them pass etc.

Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by gpm on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @05:52PM (#40216854)
Speed limits of 85 MPH sounds like the bad idea to me.
Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by nanidin on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @05:56PM (#40216900)
I believe low speed limits were raised in Texas due to the number of drowsy driver accidents that were occurring due to the amount of time it took to transit the state at the lower speed limits. Everything is a trade-off.
Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by basil-rash on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @05:55PM (#40216890)
Clearly the experienced highway engineers in charge balancing a ton of different variables to make the Texas road network function in accordance with its design goals should have sought your advice.
Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by shepherdjerred on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @05:57PM (#40216903)
You haven't driven through Texas. The stretch between El Paso and Dallas is 9 hours and there's almost nothing in-between.
Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by gpm on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @06:10PM (#40217045)
Indeed, I haven't. I'm from rather farther north. I have driven reasonably long distances at reasonably high speeds though. If you ask me whether I'd have rather save 30 minutes on a 9 hour drive or have the speed limit top out at 85* I'm definitely picking the latter. If you ask me if I'd rather have people driving through a community I'm living in at 90 mph or 85 mph I'm definitely picking the latter.

* El Paso to Dallas is 635 miles, driving the whole way at 85 mph would take 25 more minutes than driving the whole way at 90mph. The reality is even further in 85 mph's favor because you aren't able to sustain 90mph the whole way and we're only going slower when we would be able to.

Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by EGreg on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @06:13PM (#40217081)
Are all those towns on the way a joke to you?
Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by shepherdjerred on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @10:58PM (#40219056)
No, that’s why I said almost nothing :)
Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by nemomarx on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @05:41PM (#40216696)
Isn't the car already very dangerous at 70 or so? I can't think of a lot of streets where you'd be able to get up to 90 even.
Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by kayodelycaon on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @06:02PM (#40216958)
It’s pretty easy to do a sustained 120 mph in a Honda Accord for several hours on I-71 through Kentucky. (Not personal experience.)

A Toyota Prius can maintain ~90 mph on I-294 around Chicago. Anything above 95 mph degraded the tire traction to an unsafe level. (Personal experience.)

I don’t do that much anymore now that my manic episodes are under control and I’m better able to recognize my judgement is impaired.

Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by lakis on Wednesday May 01, 2024 @12:41AM (#40219572)

  I actually have to set up a car alert for when I go above 90, because the car is so quiet and powerful that I can easily go above 90 without realizing (obviously on the highway) . 
  New cars have improved tremendously.
Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by dogman144 on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @05:48PM (#40216793)
… empty and well paved country roads are a thing
Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by parl_match on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @05:57PM (#40216914)
Most vehicles (and most drivers) aren't capable of safely driving at 90mph, no matter how "empty" the road is.
Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by cityofdelusion on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @06:03PM (#40216979)
I’m not sure where you are getting your talking point, but here in Texas, there are stretches of highway where people safely pass at 90-100 mph with no issue. We have a lot of gigantic, straight, barren countryside.
Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by dogman144 on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @06:39PM (#40217314)
Yes exactly
Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by fragmede on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @06:17PM (#40217114)
it does matter how empty the road is. 90, in a modern car, on an actually empty road, is totally fine.
Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by seoulmetro on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @07:49PM (#40217874)
No, most vehicles are more than capable of this. The drivers are not.
Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by dheera on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @05:58PM (#40216921)
Also prevent tailgating (have a minimum follow distance to car ahead based on speed, and auto-brake to match that minimum distance) and prevent going faster than the lane to your left while they are at it.

The minimum follow distance alone would prevent a LOT of crashes.

Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by hobotime on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @07:02PM (#40217537)
You need to be able to pass left-lane campers on the right now and then.
Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by LinuxBender on Wednesday May 01, 2024 @07:35AM (#40221899)
I would want a way to turn this off. In the rare cases I travel cross country I get on the CB radio and ask a trucker if they are OK with me drafting following close to their trailer to save on fuel. It is more dangerous as it requires paying close attention to their brake lights and knowing they can use Jake brakes that won't activate the lights not to mention most trailers have a mostly for looks crash bar but I have a truck and won't go under their trailer. I have my own techniques for making this safer such as listening for the Jakes at least on the older rigs. Either way I would not want to lose this option. If a computer is involved unlikely I would have one then it should have a drafting mode. I suppose they can't call it that since drafting is illegal.
Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by huhuhu111 on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @05:42PM (#40216717)
there are a few reasons though, like life threatening emergencies when the road is basically empty
Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by acdha on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @06:11PM (#40217049)
How many situations are there where going over 90mph is make or break? Unless you’re Keanu Reeves driving a bus improbably, that seems like a freakishly rare situation compared to the number of crashes caused by people incorrectly thinking they could safely drive that speed – and with so much energy involved, those are usually fatal.
Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by huhuhu111 on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @08:18PM (#40218070)
on many highways, it doesn't feel that fast in at least parts of America because the lanes are so wide... specially in a car (I went much faster on motorcycles)
Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by acdha on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @08:46PM (#40218280)
I know, but specifically what is this emergency situation where being able to go 120 is enough but 90 is not? I’ve spent plenty of time on fast freeways and even the ambulance drivers are rarely going that fast because it’s unsafe.
Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by huhuhu111 on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @09:34PM (#40218561)
it's pretty rare, so hopefully you should not get a speeding ticket for it because you would go to jail and that emergency would not matter.
Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by parl_match on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @05:49PM (#40216804)
Most vehicles on the road can't really be safely operated at 90mph, especially by the layperson, no matter the need.
Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by kayodelycaon on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @06:17PM (#40217107)
If you have a turbocharged v4 I a light vehicle it’s pretty dang easy to drive 100+ mph. If you’re paying attention, the road conditions are good, and you’re not aggressively tailgating or passing people, it’s relatively safe.

The problem is it doesn’t take much to become unsafe and physics is not very forgiving of bad judgement.

Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by parl_match on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @06:35PM (#40217267)
> The problem is it doesn’t take much to become unsafe and physics is not very forgiving of bad judgement.

This is pretty much it. All it takes is a pothole (you'll barely see it coming at that speed) or something else, like a deer or small animal. And oops, it's over.

Lots of people over-estimate their ability.

Re:All Cars Sold in the US Will Soon Have to Be Able to Auto... by huhuhu111 on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @08:21PM (#40218085)
tailgating at 100mph? I don't think that's what it's called... probably "reckless driving" or "aggressive driving" if you need to pass cars dangerously