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Re:Minister defends arrest power for people feared to commit... by refurb on Friday April 26, 2024 @05:54AM (#40167512)
It's a "pre-crime"!

Who knew the movie Minority Report would come true.

Re:Minister defends arrest power for people feared to commit... by Retric on Friday April 26, 2024 @07:34AM (#40168094)
There’s quite a few behaviors that are illegal because they are associated with stuff people are concerned about even if they aren’t inherently harmful.

Public intoxication for example was criminalized long before Minority Report was a thing.

We didn’t make photographing critical infrastructure illegal, but people were pushing that narrative and it could have easily happened.

Re:Minister defends arrest power for people feared to commit... by integral_1699 on Friday April 26, 2024 @09:01AM (#40168931)
I would partially push back on public intoxication not being harmful. It does intimidate other people trying to use the same public space.
Re:Minister defends arrest power for people feared to commit... by Retric on Friday April 26, 2024 @10:09AM (#40169637)
Is the presence of alcohol or is it the way some people behave while drunk? Because that behavior could be illegal without being drunk also being illegal.

Put another way, people get arrested sitting quietly because they are drunk without any obvious outward signs of being drunk so it’s is hardly intimidating.

Re:Minister defends arrest power for people feared to commit... by whythre on Friday April 26, 2024 @11:25AM (#40170612)
That’s because a drunk persons’s decision making is inherently impaired. They might be sitting quietly now. The vast majority of criminal violence (domestic or otherwise) occurs in conjunction with impaired faculties and alcohol is often the cause.
Re:Minister defends arrest power for people feared to commit... by Retric on Friday April 26, 2024 @01:02PM (#40171726)
A classic pre-crime argument.
Re:Minister defends arrest power for people feared to commit... by csomar on Friday April 26, 2024 @12:49PM (#40171559)
You can measure that beyond any biases, however.

This, on the hand, is up to the guy in charge. Anyone can be affected by this if they happen to be on the bad side of the people in charge.

Re:Minister defends arrest power for people feared to commit... by mikrotikker on Monday April 29, 2024 @11:30PM (#40206949)
It may not be illegal but I dare you to go take photos of a port.
Re:Minister defends arrest power for people feared to commit... by Akronymus on Friday April 26, 2024 @06:44AM (#40167774)
With minority report, at least the ones calling in the pre-crime were psychics and for imminent danger, afaik.

So, much less bad than what canada is up to.

Re:Minister defends arrest power for people feared to commit... by loupol on Friday April 26, 2024 @06:31AM (#40167688)
"It's been determined with more than 86% accuracy that you are likely to commit a crime within the next 6 months. You will be detained until the probability goes down."
Re:Minister defends arrest power for people feared to commit... by andrelaszlo on Friday April 26, 2024 @06:45AM (#40167783)
"It's not sweeping, it's only going to be used for the worst potential crimes"
Re:Minister defends arrest power for people feared to commit... by Akronymus on Friday April 26, 2024 @06:46AM (#40167789)
SURELY they wouldn't use generalization to put the worst potential crimes and thoughts they dislike in the same bucket.
Re:Minister defends arrest power for people feared to commit... by mysterydip on Friday April 26, 2024 @07:10AM (#40167925)
All you dissenters are under arrest. The only reason you'd be against this is if you're planning to commit a crime; therefore, you must be planning to commit a crime!
Re:Minister defends arrest power for people feared to commit... by User23 on Friday April 26, 2024 @07:55AM (#40168241)
The limit case of prosecutorial discretion is pragmatically indistinguishable from tyranny. The more selective law enforcement is when everything is illegal, the less meaningful the laws themselves actually are and the more important the personalities of the enforcers.

Unfortunately the notion that law is best used to restrict government is a uniquely English cultural development. It’s unsurprising that Canada is losing that as she accelerates away from her English heritage. In principle of course there’s no reason a multicultural society couldn’t adopt the principle, but I’m unaware of that actually happening except for lip service.

Re:Minister defends arrest power for people feared to commit... by Havoc on Friday April 26, 2024 @07:07AM (#40167911)
But only the bad parts.
Re:Minister defends arrest power for people feared to commit... by actionfromafar on Friday April 26, 2024 @07:30AM (#40168072)
Also the obnoxious RSI-inducing touch interface?
Re:Minister defends arrest power for people feared to commit... by red003 on Friday April 26, 2024 @10:09AM (#40169639)
The best predictor of crime is a previous crime yet there’s a revolving door on jails and DAs won’t prosecute anything. It’s looking quite a bit like the Soviet Union where political dissenters were punished worse than murderers.