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Re:Biden signs TikTok 'ban' bill into law, starting clock fo... by coldtea on Wednesday April 24, 2024 @02:34PM (#40147968)
>TikTok amplifies whatever is in China's interest to amplify.

So just like the other platforms, but for China instead of the US? (aka: "It's bad when you do it, not when we do it").

Re:Biden signs TikTok 'ban' bill into law, starting clock fo... by Aloha on Wednesday April 24, 2024 @02:40PM (#40148013)
I dont know that I would be making that claim about other platforms - there is something unique, pervasive and opaque about TikTok and how they try to drive engagement.
Re:Biden signs TikTok 'ban' bill into law, starting clock fo... by slowmovintarget on Wednesday April 24, 2024 @02:42PM (#40148026)
That's putting words in my mouth.

All social media with attention management may be weaponized and has generally proven to be unhealthy for society. TikTok happens to be actively worse for a number of reasons, one of them being that it is designed to be so.

Re:Biden signs TikTok 'ban' bill into law, starting clock fo... by Workaccount2 on Wednesday April 24, 2024 @03:50PM (#40148772)
If Biden wants instagram to show you pictures of ponies, the best he can do is go to congress and get funding to run an ad campaign on instagram to show people ponies.

If Xi wants to show you ponies, you'll see them all over tiktok tomorow.

Re:Biden signs TikTok 'ban' bill into law, starting clock fo... by arandomusername on Wednesday April 24, 2024 @06:34PM (#40150679)
That's not really true. https://reason.com/2023/07/28/biden-white-house-pressured-fa...

One exmaple of many. If Biden doesn't want you seeing something, the white house will put pressure on social media companies to censor it.

Re:Biden signs TikTok 'ban' bill into law, starting clock fo... by wumeow on Wednesday April 24, 2024 @08:38PM (#40151779)
The difference is Meta was free to refuse, and did in some cases. False equivalence.
Re:Biden signs TikTok 'ban' bill into law, starting clock fo... by arandomusername on Wednesday April 24, 2024 @09:34PM (#40152280)
"We were under pressure from the administration and others to do more. We shouldn't have done it."

Also: The 5th Circuit panel found that the White House coerced the platforms through “intimidating messages and threats of adverse consequences” and commandeered the decision-making processes of social media companies, particularly in handling pandemic-related and 2020 election posts.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/2023/09/08/biden-adminis...

To say they were free to refuse is disingeneous.

Re:Biden signs TikTok 'ban' bill into law, starting clock fo... by wumeow on Wednesday April 24, 2024 @10:21PM (#40152604)
Yes, pressure is not the same as coercion. The 5th circuit is a notorious conservative circus show, I’ll wait for the Supreme Court’s decision.
Re:Biden signs TikTok 'ban' bill into law, starting clock fo... by arandomusername on Thursday April 25, 2024 @08:20AM (#40156601)
How is "threats of adverse consequences" any different than what China does?

If a cartel member comes up to you and tells you to give him your wallet or there might be "consequences", do you think you are free to refuse him?

Re:Biden signs TikTok 'ban' bill into law, starting clock fo... by Workaccount2 on Thursday April 25, 2024 @09:37AM (#40157411)
The US government has pressured various private orgs since forever to do stuff. Lots of stories about helping, refusals, court cases, retaliation. It's not much different than what goes on daily in the business world. Everyone will try to use their power to get their way.

However, this is contrary to China, who has never really pressured any Chinese organization to do anything. This is because they don't need to use pressure. They can just do it. Because there is no concept of "private organization" in China. The state has all the power.

It's so tellingly naive when people try to equivocate the US to China.

Re:Biden signs TikTok 'ban' bill into law, starting clock fo... by asadotzler on Thursday April 25, 2024 @12:13AM (#40153348)
Yes, and when our government does it, we can hold them accountable. When an adversarial foreign power does it we cannot. Is that a difficult concept for you?
Re:Biden signs TikTok 'ban' bill into law, starting clock fo... by ergocoder on Thursday April 25, 2024 @12:43AM (#40153511)
Yes, we will try hard to equate US government and China government. The 2 governments are so fungible and have equivalent due process for everything, especially for US citizens and citizens in other countries with border disputes. lol I can't even.