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Re:I love programming but I hate the programming industry by rrr_oh_man on Sunday April 21, 2024 @09:26AM (#40105612)
If quick and dirty gets you 10 shots, while slow and beautiful gets you 1, I’d choose quick & dirty any day.
Re:I love programming but I hate the programming industry by Dan42 on Sunday April 21, 2024 @10:00AM (#40105857)
An order of magnitude is a bit much. I'd say quick and dirty gets you 3 shots, while slow and beautiful gets you 1. And if you succeed, it means the result is dirty/ugly code that must be maintained forever.
Re:I love programming but I hate the programming industry by Jensson on Sunday April 21, 2024 @08:42PM (#40110536)
Doing it many times tend to be much cleaner than trying to get it right the first time. So fast -> clean, slow -> ugly code, as long as you use the speed to redo and clean things up.
Re:I love programming but I hate the programming industry by berniedurfee on Tuesday April 23, 2024 @10:04AM (#40132131)
Except the redo and cleanup part never happens.

The PoC becomes a pilot becomes production becomes an exit becomes someone else’s problem. That’s the SLDC that has gotten us to a place with endless amounts of terrible software everywhere you look.

Though, I’m optimistic that at some point, the software industry will be so saturated, all the products have all the features, and the only place left to differentiate or disrupt will be quality.

Re:I love programming but I hate the programming industry by rnewme on Sunday April 21, 2024 @09:36AM (#40105676)
That's not how you build big important, expensive things, though. It all depends on the context.
Re:I love programming but I hate the programming industry by doomslice on Sunday April 21, 2024 @09:44AM (#40105735)
Do you know that the big expensive thing is what your customers actually need? Do you actually know what your customers need?

That’s basically the only important context. If you can’t deliver that, it doesn’t matter how well thought through, extensible, or scalable it is.

Re:I love programming but I hate the programming industry by jampekka on Sunday April 21, 2024 @12:47PM (#40107179)
Do the customers know what they actually need?
Re:I love programming but I hate the programming industry by doomslice on Sunday April 21, 2024 @04:38PM (#40109020)
Well if you don’t have a pretty good idea of the problem you’re solving for the customer, you’re much better off trying as many things as you can, quickly and cheaply, to figure out.
Re:I love programming but I hate the programming industry by ericjmorey on Sunday April 21, 2024 @09:45AM (#40105744)
It seems that the biggest, most important, and most expensive things are built like that.
Re:I love programming but I hate the programming industry by philipov on Sunday April 21, 2024 @10:24AM (#40106007)
Like bridges and skyscrapers?
Re:I love programming but I hate the programming industry by andrewflnr on Sunday April 21, 2024 @04:38PM (#40109021)
10 shots facing the wrong direction still gives 10 guaranteed misses. At least make sure which cardinal direction the target is in.