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Re:Bringing Exchange Support to Thunderbird by ocdtrekkie on Saturday April 20, 2024 @07:43PM (#40102012)
We'll see how long that remains the case when Microsoft can't keep the Chinese government out of its cloud.
Re:Bringing Exchange Support to Thunderbird by lousken on Saturday April 20, 2024 @08:29PM (#40102246)
100%, but they are still not really interested in onpremises exchange, at least the latest version is 2019 which is no longer in mainline support, only security with no new version announced

these days it looks like every email is a teams message anyways, so unless they also release onpremise teams server, i don't see a future of exchange very bright

maybe everyone will move to google workspace in the future?

Re:Bringing Exchange Support to Thunderbird by ocdtrekkie on Saturday April 20, 2024 @08:48PM (#40102337)
Teams will crater in popularity once it's no longer bundled with Office 365. Nobody uses Teams because it's good, they use it because it was free with stuff they already had.

2019 is technically still receiving feature updates because of the delay of the new Exchange on-prem, though however that transition takes place will be wild.

Re:Bringing Exchange Support to Thunderbird by insaneirish on Sunday April 21, 2024 @12:18AM (#40103150)
> Teams will crater in popularity once it's no longer bundled with Office 365. Nobody uses Teams because it's good, they use it because it was free with stuff they already had.

And what if the unbundling doesn't affect the price? Don't confuse MSFT making mediocre products with them being commercially stupid.

Re:Bringing Exchange Support to Thunderbird by lousken on Saturday April 20, 2024 @09:08PM (#40102426)
I don't think we will be able to get rid of teams that easily 1) it's a PITA to migrate teams accounts between tenants not mentioning migrating stuff off teams to another solution 2) companies use teams as "shared folders" in respective channels 3) copilot which enterprises even pay extra for
Re:Bringing Exchange Support to Thunderbird by wkat4242 on Saturday April 20, 2024 @11:39PM (#40103003)
Teams shared folders are simply SharePoint folders. Like, they literally are. So you're not dependent on teams for accessing them.
Re:Bringing Exchange Support to Thunderbird by lousken on Sunday April 21, 2024 @06:04AM (#40104450)
technically correct, but people would still need to get used to the change
Re:Bringing Exchange Support to Thunderbird by thesumofall on Sunday April 21, 2024 @02:21AM (#40103557)
Working for a non-tech company, I can tell you that most love Teams. It was a godsend during Covid, people haven’t really seen anything else, and in all honesty it does what it’s supposed to do
Re:Bringing Exchange Support to Thunderbird by coryrc on Saturday April 20, 2024 @08:21PM (#40102212)
You think outsourced point-and-click administrators of company on-prem servers could do better?
Re:Bringing Exchange Support to Thunderbird by wolverine876 on Saturday April 20, 2024 @08:50PM (#40102345)
A valid point - you can't match Microsoft's resources and in-house expertise.

But you are probably a much less appealing target. Also, you might be willing to lock it down more than Microsoft, which has to please all those millions of customers and wants to admin it at the lowest cost possible - including possibly minimizing support calls by using permissive settings - and not with the most security possible.

Re:Bringing Exchange Support to Thunderbird by ocdtrekkie on Sunday April 21, 2024 @12:43PM (#40107133)
Indeed, one of my favorite inconvenient truths is that geo-blocking remains one of the most effective, and essentially free attack surface reductions you can make.

If all your staff are in a country, there's no reason for your internal tools to be accessible from any other country. If all of your customers are in a country, there's no reason for any of your web presence to be accessible from any other country.

Re:Bringing Exchange Support to Thunderbird by ocdtrekkie on Saturday April 20, 2024 @08:47PM (#40102330)
Yes. Managing Exchange is not that hard. Having everyone's eggs in one basket though is just dumb.
Re:Bringing Exchange Support to Thunderbird by ruszki on Sunday April 21, 2024 @02:56AM (#40103699)
Not that hard for you. I think, you’re overestimating the average employee. At my current company, the maintainers absolutely don’t have a clue how it works, and they are completely unusable when there is a problem with it. They don’t know even the basic things, they just blindly follow transcripts from Microsoft, like telecallers.