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Re:YouTube moves to AV1 by default to the dismay of some And... by mjg59 on Friday April 19, 2024 @05:16PM (#40091995)
I'm maybe missing something, but: the article states that Android previously provided an AV1 software decoder. New versions of Android ship a new software decoder called "libdav1d", which is currently opt-in - apps that don't opt in will get the old decoder. Youtube has opted in to using the new decoder.

But… doesn't this just mean that devices that were previously decoding AV1 Youtube streams in software will now decode them using a more efficient decoder? It doesn't say anything about Youtube changing the default stream format. Am I missing something?

Re:YouTube moves to AV1 by default to the dismay of some And... by pixelpoet on Friday April 19, 2024 @05:13PM (#40091966)
3840x2160 resolution on a mobile screen seems just plain dumb and wasteful to me, and I have really exceptionally good vision. Even on a 27" monitor I can just barely see the pixels at that res.
Re:YouTube moves to AV1 by default to the dismay of some And... by Wowfunhappy on Friday April 19, 2024 @05:18PM (#40092007)
I agree, but with an important caveat: Youtube's 1080p streams are over-compressed. I have a 1080p projector, but 4K Youtube videos still look noticeably better due to the higher bitrate.

Admittedly this is on a huge projector and not a phone. I don't watch enough Youtube videos on my phone to know if it would matter there.

Re:YouTube moves to AV1 by default to the dismay of some And... by sp332 on Friday April 19, 2024 @05:27PM (#40092098)
They added a high-bitrate 1080p option on some videos for YouTube Premium subscribers.
Re:YouTube moves to AV1 by default to the dismay of some And... by Wowfunhappy on Friday April 19, 2024 @07:36PM (#40093054)
That's nice, but a little odd that it's paywalled when the 4K option is not.
Re:YouTube moves to AV1 by default to the dismay of some And... by kevincox on Friday April 19, 2024 @10:37PM (#40094208)
There is a small benefit as some videos have "enhanced 1080” but no higher resolutions.
Re:YouTube moves to AV1 by default to the dismay of some And... by rasz on Friday April 19, 2024 @09:33PM (#40093800)
Afair Apple users also get those higher bitrates by default, for free.
Re:YouTube moves to AV1 by default to the dismay of some And... by Someone1234 on Friday April 19, 2024 @05:17PM (#40092002)
I don't know what you're responding to? This isn't moving anyone new to 4K, just making 4K more efficient when it is utilized.
Re:YouTube moves to AV1 by default to the dismay of some And... by pixelpoet on Friday April 19, 2024 @05:22PM (#40092047)
The very first sentence in the article (summary) is about 4k video, and it's supposedly something mobile users are whining about:

> With the rise of 4K video, the AV1 codec is becoming popular for better quality on Android devices.

So I don't get why people are putting themselves in that situation in the first place. It's like choosing to use a fork to row a boat and then going waaaahhhh this isn't working very well... no shit, wrong tool for the job.

Re:YouTube moves to AV1 by default to the dismay of some And... by pxeboot on Friday April 19, 2024 @05:19PM (#40092014)
They will use the same codec for a variety of resolutions and bitrates. The article mentioned most devices supporting 720p30.

It likely vastly simplifies their backend to use one codec for everything.

Re:YouTube moves to AV1 by default to the dismay of some And... by xnx on Friday April 19, 2024 @05:33PM (#40092165)
My phone screen pixels often occupy a larger angle of my vision than my 4k TV on account of being less than a foot from my face instead of 10 feet away.
Re:YouTube moves to AV1 by default to the dismay of some And... by shmerl on Friday April 19, 2024 @05:16PM (#40091993)
A lot of Youtube videos I saw don't have AV1 option (check with yt-dlp --list-formats). So are they going to re-encode everything now?
Re:YouTube moves to AV1 by default to the dismay of some And... by NewJazz on Friday April 19, 2024 @05:20PM (#40092026)
They might. Especially if they are popular.
Re:YouTube moves to AV1 by default to the dismay of some And... by CottonMcKnight on Monday April 22, 2024 @06:18PM (#40123002)
It is a certainty that, some time in the future, the bandwidth cost of not re-encoding will exceed the one-time cost of re-encoding.

How far in the future probably informed this decision.