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Re:The success of EVs is massively underreported by redrove on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @04:12AM (#40061812)
Is it though? It seems everywhere I look there's new EVs popping up, YouTube videos, reviews, blogposts and websites such as this. Not to mention governments bending over backwards to offer tax breaks, improve infrastructure, parking only for electric vehicles, etc.

In fact, if anything, I would say it's overreported.

Re:The success of EVs is massively underreported by FloatArtifact on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @04:30AM (#40061919)
Here in the UK soon they're going to start charging 10 pounds a day for residential vehicles that aren't zero pollution, commercial vehicles a day 60 pounds a day. Eventually leading to ban on fossil fuel vehicles. These fines can change cross regions.

Regardless of what you think of the environment, this may be less consumer driven then governmental driven by policy. Something to think about anyway.

Re:The success of EVs is massively underreported by brnt on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @04:45AM (#40062018)
Here in the NL they'll soon lift the road tax exemption for e-vehicles, and since it's weight based, EV-owners are going to pay, and fuel vehicles will become more interesting again.
Re:The success of EVs is massively underreported by Ekaros on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @05:02AM (#40062136)
I'm am pretty certain that EVs won't end up being much cheaper than ICE cars. Finland cars in general have high tax burden. And you have to fund the roads from somewhere. If you can't separate electricity at home it means adding taxes on EVs in some other way...
Re:The success of EVs is massively underreported by aitchnyu on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @05:04AM (#40062154)
Does the tax scale to first power of weight or the fourth?
Re:The success of EVs is massively underreported by brnt on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @05:14AM (#40062208)
IMHO unfortunately (but I'm no EV owner) not. But enough to suddenly cost you at least a thousand euros/year extra.
Re:The success of EVs is massively underreported by redrove on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @04:33AM (#40061939)
10 quid a day?! That's ludicrous.

I don't live in the UK but I do wonder: is the infrastructure there truly ready? And does the average car owner think the whole charging time debacle is there as far as every day workability goes?

Re:The success of EVs is massively underreported by samplatt on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @04:40AM (#40061978)
Charging 10 pounds a day per vehicle will certainly go a long way towards upgrading infrastructure, if that's the idea behind it. Hopefully it'll be spent appropriately.
Re:The success of EVs is massively underreported by rwmj on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @04:40AM (#40061976)
It would be ludicrous, but it's not true.
Re:The success of EVs is massively underreported by FloatArtifact on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @06:55AM (#40062848)
https://motorway.co.uk/sell-my-car/guides/ulez-compliant-car...

Again there are certain zones and fines can varie.

Re:The success of EVs is massively underreported by rwmj on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @12:41PM (#40067127)
That's to drive your 17+ year old car into a particular zone, nothing like what was described above.
Re:The success of EVs is massively underreported by FloatArtifact on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @12:52PM (#40067264)
Euro 6 diesel cars, or those produced in 2015 and prior, and Euro 4 petrol cars, or those produced 2006 or prior, have to pay £12.50 each day they enter.

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/call-for-early-ban-on-diese...

Right 17 years... Sarcasm

Re:The success of EVs is massively underreported by rwmj on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @01:08PM (#40067477)
You said:

> Here in the UK soon they're going to start charging 10 pounds a day for residential vehicles that aren't zero pollution, commercial vehicles a day 60 pounds a day.

which is plainly not true.

Re:The success of EVs is massively underreported by FloatArtifact on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @01:30PM (#40067720)
> You said: > > > Here in the UK soon they're going to start charging 10 pounds a day for residential vehicles that aren't zero pollution, commercial vehicles a day 60 pounds a day. > > which is plainly not true.

My statement holds true as this does take place in the UK. I did clarify in a follow-up post that this takes place in certain zones in the UK. You conveniently left off about the different zones your quote from the original post. The number of these zones in the UK is increasing. People are indeed being charged per day for car is much newer than 17 years old. Legislation has passed to ban sale gasoline vehicles in the UK in 2035.

Legislation is driving EV sales which may not be representative the consumer. I don't disagree with improving our environment however it's hard to tease the effect this is having on the consumer choice with this type of legislation.

Re:The success of EVs is massively underreported by contextnavidad on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @04:48AM (#40062032)
Source? There is a similar charge in London, that's all I know of
Re:The success of EVs is massively underreported by FloatArtifact on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @01:58PM (#40068073)
> Source? There is a similar charge in London, that's all I know of

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-10127557/Al...

Re:The success of EVs is massively underreported by stuaxo on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @04:39AM (#40061972)
Have you got any links about that?

I don't drive so haven't been keeping up.

Re:The success of EVs is massively underreported by FloatArtifact on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @05:36AM (#40062314)
Re:The success of EVs is massively underreported by FloatArtifact on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @05:54AM (#40062419)
The push to ban gas for new cars.

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/call-for-early-ban-on-diese...

"London introduced the ULEZ, which charges older, more polluting cars a fee to enter the city, in 2019.

Euro 6 diesel cars, or those produced in 2015 and prior, and Euro 4 petrol cars, or those produced 2006 or prior, have to pay £12.50 each day they enter.

T&E says that by replicating low emissions zones in cities throughout the country, the UK could enhance its energy security."

Re:The success of EVs is massively underreported by flipbrad on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @04:45AM (#40062016)
[Citation needed]
Re:The success of EVs is massively underreported by FloatArtifact on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @06:17AM (#40062608)
See above
Re:The success of EVs is massively underreported by ed_blackburn on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @04:43AM (#40062005)
I drive in the UK, and this is certainly news to me.
Re:The success of EVs is massively underreported by mschuster91 on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @04:45AM (#40062012)
I mean, I'm firmly in the pro-EV camp, but how the fuck are lower-class people not rioting in the streets daily? 3.6k a year just because you're too poor to afford a new 40k+ vehicle, and that on top of inflation and Brexit aftereffects? That's frankly insane.
Re:The success of EVs is massively underreported by oblio on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @04:46AM (#40062023)
They're not rioting because that's probably just a rumor and rumors are a dime a dozen billion (they used to be a "dime a dozen" back when we didn't have the internet, spam bots and GenAI).
Re:The success of EVs is massively underreported by FloatArtifact on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @06:31AM (#40062702)
I'm not sure how you could misconstrue legislation for rumors...
Re:The success of EVs is massively underreported by oblio on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @08:43AM (#40063833)
Awesome, you managed to reply to my comment and yet not post a single link to the 5-6 comments calling you out for not providing a source.

Edit:

I've found your link. It taxes gasoline cars older than 2006 (so 18+ years old) and diesel cars older than 2018 (so 6 years old). Which is super fair since those emit a ton of particulates, why should drivers be able to poison local residents for free?

There's no mention of an outright ban for ICE cars.

Re:The success of EVs is massively underreported by FloatArtifact on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @09:16AM (#40064156)
Re:The success of EVs is massively underreported by FloatArtifact on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @09:22AM (#40064224)
My original comment was the state mandates/tax legislation maybe significant contribute to sales.
Re:The success of EVs is massively underreported by oblio on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @04:38PM (#40069821)
Have you read the entire context behind this? Some of the biggest proponents of this are... VW, BMW, etc.
Re:The success of EVs is massively underreported by mschuster91 on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @10:11AM (#40064873)
> It taxes gasoline cars older than 2006 (so 18+ years old) and diesel cars older than 2018 (so 6 years old).

Well, very few people drive such old gasoline cars (outside of historic car collectors)... but a 6-12 year old diesel? Many people drive these.

Re:The success of EVs is massively underreported by oblio on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @04:37PM (#40069819)
Yeah, but it's not their fault that most of the companies selling diesel cars lied and are continuing to lie about their emissions.

The EU is especially failing on this front, VW should have been caught year before it was.

Re:The success of EVs is massively underreported by FloatArtifact on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @06:22AM (#40062641)
Well it currently doesn't cover all of EU. However that is a great question. I think there is going to be conflict between Urban versus rural communities with socioeconomics as these types of zones continue to expand.
Re:The success of EVs is massively underreported by joe_fishfish on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @04:51AM (#40062065)
They're not rioting because it's not true
Re:The success of EVs is massively underreported by agumonkey on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @06:37AM (#40062740)
It's not hyped much on youtube and similar though
Re:The success of EVs is massively underreported by Hock88sdx on Thursday April 18, 2024 @03:30AM (#40073852)
EVs are the new crypto bros now. They might be onto something have ICE cars sales slump and Toyotas bankrupting with tons of unsold inventories. But the reverse is true where Tesla inventories spike up this quarters and Toyotas sales spike up as well. I am not surprise if Cathie's Ark is heavily behind all this overreporting, she double or triple down on Tesla recently. Yeah RoboTaxi and FSD craze now. Strange we didnt see much with Waymo which is at least 10 uears ahead of Tesla and FSD is not even at level 3.0. If you can speak chinese or read chinese reports, some development in China will literally make you sell Tesla fast.