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Re:To make a fortune, target bored young men who want to mak... by amelius on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @10:07AM (#40052079)
Gambling should be treated like drugs.

Nothing good comes from it. It only increases the wealth gap.

Re:To make a fortune, target bored young men who want to mak... by maerF0x0 on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @10:23AM (#40052311)
We need to re-label modern gambling (like the lottery and casinos) into what they are. Cons. An entertaining gamble is one in which you have a real shot. Heck the carnival games at least involve a reasonable skill. Whereas casino games the only skill is how bad you lose. The casino at scale is taking on no risk. (besides that people wise up to their con).

IDK about in the US, but in Canada the lotteries do fund a lot of charitable things but I wasn't able to find a good stat about the proportion. Also at the end of a day it just a waste of human potential (running the corporation and wasting human hopes on useless things instead of potentially beneficial things)

Re:To make a fortune, target bored young men who want to mak... by recursivecaveat on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @12:38PM (#40054141)
The sad part about Canadian lotteries to me is all the advertising. If we accept the idea that they exist to preempt illegal gambling, no ads are required. The sheer waste of these campaigns, and the likelihood that they are a factor in developing some gambling addictions is quite saddening.
Re:To make a fortune, target bored young men who want to mak... by tim333 on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @05:50AM (#40062399)
I don't play the lottery but I don't think things like the national lottery in the UK are a con so much as entertainment. People get enjoyment from thinking what if I won the lottery. No one is claiming the mathematically expected value of your return is greater than one.
Re:To make a fortune, target bored young men who want to mak... by aaomidi on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @10:16AM (#40052216)
Legal & regulated drugs generally don’t cause as much damage as legal & regulated gambling.
Re:To make a fortune, target bored young men who want to mak... by djkivi on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @11:07AM (#40052944)
Alcohol overuse causes 178,000 American deaths annually:

https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2023/11/6/23931877/alcohol...

Re:To make a fortune, target bored young men who want to mak... by Rinzler89 on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @10:19AM (#40052256)
Gambling mostly damages just the person gambling (and loosing) while drugs tend to damage not just the consumer but also people and the environment around them (violence, crime, homelessness, mental issues, robberies, feces and syringes everywhere, harassment etc).
Re:To make a fortune, target bored young men who want to mak... by pbh101 on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @10:32AM (#40052464)
Gambling can have many externalities too, starting with the families of gambling addicts.
Re:To make a fortune, target bored young men who want to mak... by Rinzler89 on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @10:39AM (#40052548)
Yeah but much less so than with hard drug addicts. When was the last time a roulette addict took a shit on your car or chasing people in the park? Or a roulette addict being even allowed in the casino having soiled himself?

Of course they could have externalities too, but their blast radius is mostly contained to their near circle of family instead of the entire society.

Re:To make a fortune, target bored young men who want to mak... by r2_pilot on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @10:51AM (#40052724)
I think you'd be surprised at the number of people who wear diapers to the casino so they don't have to take a break from the machines.
Re:To make a fortune, target bored young men who want to mak... by Rinzler89 on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @10:53AM (#40052748)
Yeah but that's a conscious decision, not one do to mental illnesses.
Re:To make a fortune, target bored young men who want to mak... by ac2u on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @11:01AM (#40052860)
Huh, I think you're splitting hairs at that point.
Re:To make a fortune, target bored young men who want to mak... by Rinzler89 on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @11:11AM (#40053001)
Splitting hairs? Really?

So to you there's no difference between someone voluntarily and consciously choosing to wear a diaper so he can continue doing an activity for longer without toilet breaks(some video gamers do that too), and someone who is soiled himself because his mind can't control the bowel movements due to being fried by hard drugs?

Yeh, they're technically both addicts, but gambling addicts tend to harass less people and cause less overall ER calls, petty crime, trash, feces in the neighborhoods, than hard drug addicts.

One is a much greater annoyance to general people on the street than the other. What actual arguments do you have to refute this other than just calling it splitting hairs?

Re:To make a fortune, target bored young men who want to mak... by ac2u on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @11:33AM (#40053345)
> Yeah but that's a conscious decision, not one do to mental illnesses.

You tried to establish mutual exclusivity between conscious decisions and mental illness.

I refuted that.

Never said the impact on society of your examples were similar.

Re:To make a fortune, target bored young men who want to mak... by aaomidi on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @10:21AM (#40052281)
We’ve never really had legal and regulated drug use other than mostly coffee and alcohol.

The same illegal drugs used by the lower echelons of society is the same as the ones used in higher echelons of society. You’d be hard pressed to find folks not using hard drugs in the Fortune 500 list.

The difference is the availability of drugs. Many rich people never struggle to find high quality drugs. That is not the same for everyone.

Re:To make a fortune, target bored young men who want to mak... by Rinzler89 on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @10:28AM (#40052402)
>You’d be hard pressed to find folks not using hard drugs in the Fortune 500 list.

Oh for sure, the big difference is that rich people can afford to go into the best private rehab whenever they cross the line, whereas working class people tend to end up broke, homeless and sick.

Re:To make a fortune, target bored young men who want to mak... by interludead on Tuesday April 23, 2024 @02:54PM (#40135740)
Agree, both can have profound effects on mental health, relationships and overall well-being...