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Re:20 years ago Gmail revolutionized email. It's time for a ... by zeroonetwothree on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:18AM (#40041724)
The reason gmail was successful is that it didn’t revolutionize email. It was just a very good client that worked well but roughly the same as people were already used to.

I’ve seen so many of these revolutionary email clients over the years but they all fail. It’s just too hard to get people to radically change their workflow, and tbh the current one isn’t even that bad.

Re:20 years ago Gmail revolutionized email. It's time for a ... by HNDen21 on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:23AM (#40041792)
Also 1 GB of inbox storage, this was a lot more than others like Yahoo IIRC
Re:20 years ago Gmail revolutionized email. It's time for a ... by dventimi on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:35AM (#40041957)
Yeah, I agree with you. I'm sorry, but whether it was unlimited or only 1GB, it felt unlimited to me at that time and that WAS revolutionary. At the time, GMail seemed vastly superior to the main alternative, Yahoo Mail.
Re:20 years ago Gmail revolutionized email. It's time for a ... by globular-toast on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:30AM (#40041891)
Wasn't Gmail "unlimited" in the early days?
Re:20 years ago Gmail revolutionized email. It's time for a ... by gsharma on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:35AM (#40041948)
Not initially. It started with 1 GB at the time the other popular services Yahoo and Hotmail provided 2-4 MB of storage.

Google later changed it to “unlimited” which increased daily by an MB or so. At some point settled at 15 GB.

Re:20 years ago Gmail revolutionized email. It's time for a ... by htrp on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:46AM (#40042108)
When did it settle in at 15GB?
Re:20 years ago Gmail revolutionized email. It's time for a ... by Ekaros on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:53AM (#40042204)
2013 it seems there is blog about combining 10 GB gmail to 5 GB drive and Google+ Photos...

https://gmail.googleblog.com/2013/05/bringing-it-all-togethe...

Not sure if it was unlimited actually before this point.

Re:20 years ago Gmail revolutionized email. It's time for a ... by brutal_chaos_ on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:33AM (#40041925)
Yes it was. It took years before I had a limit. I used to use gmail like google drive well before drive existed. There was even a tool called gmaildrive(0).

(0): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GMail_Drive

Edit to Add: Apparently the storage wasn't unlimited? At least from a cursory look at Wikipedia. Huh. Memory is a funny thing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gmail

Re:20 years ago Gmail revolutionized email. It's time for a ... by globular-toast on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:55AM (#40042233)
I'm surprised too, but the screenshot showing "You are are currently using ... of your 1000GB" brings back memories. Maybe it's because back then 1GB of email storage seemed essentially unlimited?
Re:20 years ago Gmail revolutionized email. It's time for a ... by toyg on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:32AM (#40041914)
iirc it went from 1gb to 4 to 8, then "unlimited" for a period, then again limited once they started charging for GApps.
Re:20 years ago Gmail revolutionized email. It's time for a ... by wredue on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:34AM (#40041936)
Gmail was unlimited space, and invite only in the early days.

The main reason for success was that Google was still generally seen as a not evil company, while other mail providers were garbage/evil.

Re:20 years ago Gmail revolutionized email. It's time for a ... by gsharma on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:39AM (#40042020)
Initially, people sold these beta invites on eBay!

https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/gmail-accoun...

Re:20 years ago Gmail revolutionized email. It's time for a ... by HNDen21 on Monday April 15, 2024 @01:41PM (#40043490)
I remember those, you got 5 of them... later Google Wave also had invites .. which was cool but ended up in the graveyard anyway... Lifehacker's Gina Trapani even wrote a guide to Google Wave but I believe Wave was killed right before after it was published
Re:20 years ago Gmail revolutionized email. It's time for a ... by antisthenes on Monday April 15, 2024 @02:53PM (#40044283)
Speaking of storage, why is Gmail still on 15GB, 11 years later, when hard drive capacities went up by at least a factor of 10x?

At least give us 30GB free, 15GB is just obnoxiously low for how much value G data mines from inboxes.

Re:20 years ago Gmail revolutionized email. It's time for a ... by dotcoma on Monday April 15, 2024 @10:51PM (#40047924)
Because they want to milk you twice: your data and your wallet.
Re:20 years ago Gmail revolutionized email. It's time for a ... by dotcoma on Monday April 15, 2024 @10:48PM (#40047916)
It was 1 GB when Yahoo! was offering I think 5 MB.
Re:20 years ago Gmail revolutionized email. It's time for a ... by pilaf on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:39AM (#40042019)
> It was just a very good client that worked well but roughly the same as people were already used to.

UI-wise, yes, but GMail was also the first mainstream "AJAX" [1] app. Before it the expectation was that clicking on almost anything on the page would cause a full page refresh. GMail was in part revolutionary because of how snappy it felt for a webmail client.

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajax_(programming)

Re:20 years ago Gmail revolutionized email. It's time for a ... by HNDen21 on Monday April 15, 2024 @01:30PM (#40043365)
I remember using OWA (Outlook Web Access) before that.. but you are right this is the one that stands out..... soon after this Digg was created and the onslaught of all the web 2.0 sites like delicious, flickr etc etc
Re:20 years ago Gmail revolutionized email. It's time for a ... by pilaf on Monday April 15, 2024 @09:23PM (#40047470)
After all XMLHttpRequest was a non-standard addition to the web API by Microsoft, specifically added for Outlook AFAIK. Firefox copied it though, so GMail could use it without sacrificing browser agnosticism.
Re:20 years ago Gmail revolutionized email. It's time for a ... by arcbyte on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:22AM (#40041774)
I'm curious what your workflow looks like?

I come from the perspective that email is totally broken; both in my personal spam filled inbox and in my corporate information black hole email. So I'm genuinely curious

Re:20 years ago Gmail revolutionized email. It's time for a ... by the_snooze on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:29AM (#40041875)
I have multiple email aliases that feed into the same box. I filter messages based on what alias they went through and who sent them. Nearly all messages get automatically marked as read; they're there, but I won't get notifed of them. For a few high priority senders who have my high priority alias, they get the star treatment: notification, star, reminder to reply, etc.

Also, if you filter for the word "unsubscribe," you can cut through a good chunk of low-priority automatic messages.

Re:20 years ago Gmail revolutionized email. It's time for a ... by eks391 on Monday April 15, 2024 @04:59PM (#40045506)
I am familiar with vendors that provide a similar service, but none quite as you described. Which one do you use?
Re:20 years ago Gmail revolutionized email. It's time for a ... by the_snooze on Monday April 15, 2024 @08:39PM (#40047196)
It's just Google. I have a Google Workspace subscription for my personal domain, but you can accomplish a similar thing using "plus-aliases" on standard free Gmail accounts: "[email protected]"
Re:20 years ago Gmail revolutionized email. It's time for a ... by iancmceachern on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:26AM (#40041831)
Get good at searching, filters, modifiers, keywords, etc. My I boxes are huge, but I generally find what I need quickly by typing a fee searching filters and keywords
Re:20 years ago Gmail revolutionized email. It's time for a ... by bee_rider on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:29AM (#40041880)
It is a good replacement for letters, postcards really. It does that well, and that’s enough.
Re:20 years ago Gmail revolutionized email. It's time for a ... by timbit42 on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:47AM (#40042126)
I've been using Gmail since its start and I don't remember it ever having a good client.
Re:20 years ago Gmail revolutionized email. It's time for a ... by Tao3300 on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:22AM (#40041776)
It was delightfully sparse coming from heavyweight desktop clients. Though now that I'm at 98% capacity, I need to hook up a heavyweight client to do real cleaning...
Re:20 years ago Gmail revolutionized email. It's time for a ... by nerdjon on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:44AM (#40042079)
I mean, even as someone who has now removed google from my life as much as possible including no longer relying on gmail.

I disagree, I think gmail was genuinely a step forward. I remember the yahoo of the time just being extremely clunky. A polished fast UI can be considered a revolution in its own right.

Wasn't it also one of the first to do HTML emails or am I mis-remembering?

The email threads were a really nice quality of life feature.

Of course we have the amount of space it gave you and that weird ticking space thing that made everyone's space go up at a consistent pace.

That being said, the way I see it. Email doesn't really need a revolution at this point in time. It does what it needs to do, it does it well (except for spam), and I feel like attempt to move past that (wasn't it google that showed off some sort of interactive emails?) are ultimately a bad thing.

Personally I like that email has stagnated a bit, let it do its job without tacking on feature after feature.

Re:20 years ago Gmail revolutionized email. It's time for a ... by gsharma on Monday April 15, 2024 @01:14PM (#40043177)
HTML emails were there before, but I agree that fast UI and threads was a step up from Yahoo or Hotmail. Labels instead of folders, username+wildcard@ email addresses, filters (at least the UX was better than traditional rules). They also enabled POP and IMAP. IIRC, IMAP used to be a premium feature for email providers at that time.

I’m not sure about revolution, but e-mail can certainly be evolved.

20 years ago, not as many emails were sent, especially transactional emails. User behavior has evolved since then.

For example, storing email receipt of a random Amazon order from 2 years ago doesn’t make much sense these days.

Hey has addressed some of these changes, but there is a lot of room for improvement.

Re:20 years ago Gmail revolutionized email. It's time for a ... by pupppet on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:22AM (#40041773)
The 1gb storage space certainly didn’t hurt either, at a time when Hotmail was offering peanuts.
Re:20 years ago Gmail revolutionized email. It's time for a ... by Ekaros on Monday April 15, 2024 @11:54AM (#40042220)
From same period I saw mail for my 5 MB box being full... Offering 200 times this was enough...
Re:20 years ago Gmail revolutionized email. It's time for a ... by Gualdrapo on Monday April 15, 2024 @12:42PM (#40042848)
> I’ve seen so many of these revolutionary email clients over the years but they all fail.

Even their own _Inbox_ app failed, although mostly because Google _Googled_ it.

Re:20 years ago Gmail revolutionized email. It's time for a ... by tivert on Monday April 15, 2024 @12:47PM (#40042906)
> The reason gmail was successful is that it didn’t revolutionize email. It was just a very good client that worked well but roughly the same as people were already used to.

I take it you never had a Hotmail account with 5mb mailbox limit (though by 2005 was a bit larger like maybe 10 or 20mb).

The revolutionary thing about gmail is that it offered 10x-100x more space than its competitors, for free. Everything else about it was whatever.

Re:20 years ago Gmail revolutionized email. It's time for a ... by 1vuio0pswjnm7 on Monday April 15, 2024 @04:33PM (#40045226)
"It's just too hard to get people to radically change their workflow, and tbh the current one isn't even that bad."

Gmail's update last month mandating use of Javascript radically changed workflow for me. The difference in speed and resource consumption for me against the faster HTML version is significant, not to mention an increasing cluttered interface. Over time, people get used to the slower speed. Very sad. More of our time and resources stolen by a so-called "tech" company. I thought I was free from this nonsense when I quit using Windows decades ago. I was wrong.

Gmail serves Google first and Gmail users second. When it wants to make changes that benefit Google, it can make them, no matter how "radical". Why. Because it's too difficult for Gmail users to find an alternative mail provider.