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Re:Personal VPN Services are Snake-Oil by tshaddox on Sunday April 14, 2024 @04:24PM (#40034146)
Is "geofence bypass for region-locked content" actually “illicit”?
Re:Personal VPN Services are Snake-Oil by JumpCrisscross on Sunday April 14, 2024 @04:27PM (#40034171)
> Is "geofence bypass for region-locked content" actually “illicit”?

Yes, in practically every jurisdiction. It’s wilful breach of contract, tortious interference with the content distributor’s licensing schemes and copyright infringement.

Re:Personal VPN Services are Snake-Oil by chrisfinazzo on Sunday April 14, 2024 @05:47PM (#40034767)
A notable exception being the use of a VPN to access region-protected content.

INAL, but while this use case might violate ToS, the case law suggests that courts deem this to be fair use provided you don't breech other laws in the process (e.g, copyrights).

Re:Personal VPN Services are Snake-Oil by JumpCrisscross on Sunday April 14, 2024 @05:56PM (#40034829)
Agree that it's the digital equivalent of jaywalking.
Re:Personal VPN Services are Snake-Oil by hn_throwaway_99 on Sunday April 14, 2024 @04:49PM (#40034355)
Unless you have any explicit court case decisions to the contrary, I'm calling bullshit. I did a simple Google search and could not find any examples of someone being sued or prosecuted for region bypass.
Re:Personal VPN Services are Snake-Oil by JumpCrisscross on Sunday April 14, 2024 @04:56PM (#40034404)
> Unless you have any explicit court case decisions to the contrary

I also don’t think there is prosecutorial precedent for murdering someone with a sea cucumber; that doesn’t make it licit (or legal).

Re:Personal VPN Services are Snake-Oil by hn_throwaway_99 on Sunday April 14, 2024 @07:36PM (#40035506)
When was the last time you heard of anyone murdering someone with a sea cucumber? People obviously use VPNs all the time for region bypass, and have for years, so if anyone had an issue with it it surely would have had some relevant legal proceedings.

Laws only mean what courts say they mean. Besides that, I have simply never heard any argument of region bypass being illegal or otherwise illicit, and you haven't provided any evidence to the contrary.

Re:Personal VPN Services are Snake-Oil by FireBeyond on Sunday April 14, 2024 @06:14PM (#40034945)
> tortious interference with the content distributor’s licensing schemes

No it's not.

Tortious interference with a business relationship is no doubt what you're referring to here, but it's a long bow with multiple layers of indirection. It is "intentionally acting to prevent someone from successfully establishing or maintaining business relationships with others".

Miramax, as a content distributor, might license their content to Netflix.

You are a customer of Netflix.

Now say you are a customer of NordVPN.

For one, NordVPN isn't trying to prevent you maintaining a business relationship with Netflix. Nor is it trying to prevent Netflix having a business relationship with Miramax.

NordVPN may provide you means by which you can choose to be in violation of your TOS with Netflix. It's not acting to ensure you are.

Netflix doesn't have to -allow- this, hence VPN/proxy detection. But they have recourse, drop you as a customer, for you, the customer's, actions, not for NordVPN's actions. Miramax can't argue that NordVPN acted to interfere with their licensing scheme with Netflix.

Re:Personal VPN Services are Snake-Oil by JumpCrisscross on Sunday April 14, 2024 @07:09PM (#40035322)
> Miramax can't argue that NordVPN acted to interfere with their licensing scheme with Netflix

No, but they could argue that the VPN user interfered with their licensing scheme. (If everyone in a region circumvented geoblocks, why would someone in that region pay for regional rights to that content?) They wouldn’t, because it’s not worth it.

Re:Personal VPN Services are Snake-Oil by raxxorraxor on Monday April 15, 2024 @08:10AM (#40039489)
This is false, it is not illegal. You might be in violation of a specific contract, but that is far from it being illegal. For example Steam might ban you if you circumvent a region lock. Reason for that is that there are other legal requirements for them as a market place.
Re:Personal VPN Services are Snake-Oil by averageRoyalty on Thursday April 18, 2024 @08:40PM (#40082262)
> This is false, it is not illegal.

I highly doubt you know the laws in every region globally. This may be true in yours, but it's not a good idea to make such blanket, objective statements online.