FB down 8% at opening

Re:FB down 8% at opening by ollerac on Monday May 21, 2012 @10:03AM (#4002877)

Companies are allowed to carry high P/E ratios because they've recently undergone a period of exponential growth and people believe they can continue to execute at the same pace. Amazon (amzn) is the perfect example of a stock that continually exceeds people's expectations while carrying a high P/E ratio -- and the stock has responded accordingly.

From listening to Zuckerberg I think he's a true capitalist, more interested in creating long term value than making a quick buck. I'm sure he's not excited that some very hopeful people who believed in his company are hating him right now because his stock (temporarily) seems over-priced.

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Re:FB down 8% at opening by richardw on Monday May 21, 2012 @10:24AM (#4002976)

Problem is, when you hit 1 billion users, you've run out of "exponential growth" headroom. All you can do is multiply that by 6.5ish (therefore, linear growth), and even finding new sources of revenue doesn't get you exponential anytime soon.

Certainly, most future growth will come from extracting more cash from the pool of users (or people selling to them), not growing the pool.

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Re:FB down 8% at opening by ollerac on Monday May 21, 2012 @10:36AM (#4003022)

I agree that most future growth will come from extracting more cash from their current pool of users, but I can imagine a situation in which new sources of revenue would lead to exponential growth.

The world economy has never seen anything quite like Facebook before -- that's why it's so exciting. They could become Google/Netflix/LinkedIn/Zynga combined. I'm not saying they will, but they've got the prerequisites: 1 billion active users.

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Re:FB down 8% at opening by MaysonL on Monday May 21, 2012 @04:02PM (#4004643)

They could become Google/Netflix/LinkedIn/Zynga combined

Or they could become the next AOL/Myspace/Friendster/Ning combined... (IMNSHO, that's at least as likely as the former).

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Re:FB down 8% at opening by dmgz on Monday May 21, 2012 @04:48PM (#4004856)

Facebook has pretty accurate data on 1 billion people. They have not even scratched the surface of how they can monetize it. Think about the equivalent of Google Adsense, syndicated across the entire world wide web, but targetable by detailed and fairly accurate demographic and psychographic profiles. Now layer in the social elements to help marketeres "earn" impressions.

There is a fairly strong chance they will own an enormous % of market share of ALL online and mobile display advertising in the near future.

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Re:FB down 8% at opening by Retric on Monday May 21, 2012 @03:35PM (#4004499)

I think the telegraph, telephone, and internet where both similar to and far larger than Facebook.

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Re:FB down 8% at opening by Duff on Monday May 21, 2012 @12:16PM (#4003516)

User count is only one dimension of the value that Facebook has. The user connections are arguably the more important dimension.

As Facebook figures out more ways to be a more pervasive force in people's lives, they'll have the ability to multiply the revenue they receive on a per-user basis.

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Re:FB down 8% at opening by philjr on Monday May 21, 2012 @11:15AM (#4003220)

I think there's plenty of opportunity for exponential growth in Revenue. When we start measuring that in users, I think something is broken.

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Re:FB down 8% at opening by cube13 on Monday May 21, 2012 @11:50AM (#4003392)

The problem is that Facebook's primary asset is users. They're making money off of them(approximately $1/user in profit and $3.5 in revenue), but it's not clear if they can make exponentially more per user.

They certainly can't expand the user pool by that much, which means that they need to find a way to monetize their existing users more effectively. I think that Facebook can certainly make more/user than they currently are. $5, maybe $10/user is possible. But $100? I don't think so.

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Re:FB down 8% at opening by marshray on Monday May 21, 2012 @12:16PM (#4003514)

Hard to imagine exponential growth in what either users or advertisers are willing to pay. An analogy to FB as a user service might be, say, MMORPGs like WoW. They seem to exhibit early exponential growth due to peer pressure. Yet they are never priced more than $10 - $15/mo. Often they start out as a subscription service and then move to free-to-play.

So then are advertisers willing to increase their FB advertising budgets exponentially? Does FB have something coming down the pike on a regular basis to make that happen?

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Re:FB down 8% at opening by sanxiyn on Monday May 21, 2012 @01:05PM (#4003763)

Virtual goods. It is a proven revenue model for social networks.

http://venturebeat.com/2009/03/19/the-worlds-most-lucrative-...

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Re:FB down 8% at opening by marshray on Monday May 21, 2012 @04:53PM (#4004870)

The link is from 2009, the title is "The world's most lucrative social network? China's Tencent beats $1 billion revenue mark".

That doesn't sound to me like a "proven revenue model" to support a $104B company with exponential growth.

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Re:FB down 8% at opening by duskwuff on Monday May 21, 2012 @03:18PM (#4004409)

Soo... Facebook Gold? ;)

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Re:FB down 8% at opening by Drbble on Tuesday May 22, 2012 @02:29AM (#4006529)

Netflix makes over $100/user/yr of revenue. Why couldn't Facebook?

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Re:FB down 8% at opening by SudarshanP on Tuesday May 22, 2012 @03:08AM (#4006621)

Those who are already not on facebook are either too poor to make FB significantly richer or care enough about their privacy that that they have chosen not to use FB.

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Re:FB down 8% at opening by AndrewDucker on Monday May 21, 2012 @10:25AM (#4002977)

Oh, I'm sure he wants to grow the company and make it successful. And I'm sure that he will do, he's shown the ability to make it happen.

I don't, however, think it will ever live up to the price they floated at. I suspect that Facebook will be a successful company worth about a third of what they launched at.

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