News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:RedHat employee bans Hyprland creator from fdo by bitwize on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @06:26AM (#39977969)
Discord is much, much more convenient than the historic alternatives like IRC or email. If you want a project to grow you have to meet prospective developers where they are; and in the 2020s that's X (Twitter), Mastodon, and Discord. Discord communities can be moderated to be safe and friendly... but Vaxry couldn't be arsed to do so because he's "based".

As to whether Vaxry was "really" promulgating hate... Refusing to acknowledge and respect a person's gender identity is transphobic.

Condoning this behavior (and victim-blaming the person who called it out) is transphobic.

When trans people and trans allies have positions of authority in an open-source community, public transphobes will get issued preemptive bans for the health of the community and the project. It is altogether fitting and proper that this be done.

Oh, and the fact that Vaxry slagged off Lyude publicly in his blog for good-faith enforcement of the code of conduct (as she has the authority and duty to do) just means that FreeDesktop would ban him again harder if they could.

Re:RedHat employee bans Hyprland creator from fdo by PlutoIsAPlanet on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @07:04AM (#39978157)
> Oh, and the fact that Vaxry slagged off Lyude publicly in his blog for good-faith enforcement of the code of conduct

From what I see they both slagged each other.

Again though, I'm asking for where's the spreading of hate.

Re:RedHat employee bans Hyprland creator from fdo by bitwize on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @08:08AM (#39978554)
In case the cited example is not enough to count as "hate" for you (in which case, the code of conduct teams of major open source projects should take a good look at your behavior and determine whether to permit you to contribute to such projects), Lyude calls out a few specific instances in her opening email:

    I'd like to take a moment to specifically point out some examples that were brought to our attention of this behavior:
    * Hazing someone in your discord because they have pronouns in their bio
    * Speaking pretty bluntly against queer people and minorities at large
     - "at 15 he doesnt even know what he will be studying at uni and he already wanna go get AIDS?"
     - "I think this server's motto should be 'love guns, hate damn minorities'"
Source: https://blog.vaxry.net/resource/articleFDO/LyudeMails.pdf

But ultimately, I do not see your name on the FreeDesktop.org code of conduct committee... therefore, your opinion of what constitutes hate is completely irrelevant in this case. Code of Conduct committees are authorized to issue bans against anyone who, in their sole discretion, is an asshole specifically to avoid this kind of fruitless argument. The emphasis is on fostering a safe and welcoming community. Not in allowing freeze peach activists to sealion their way out of a ban.

Re:RedHat employee bans Hyprland creator from fdo by neonsunset on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @09:40AM (#39979336)
This email is a very good demonstration on why you don't negotiate with terrorists or politburo representatives. They have gotten where they are exactly because they enjoy abusing the power given to them. Pleading your case before them is to just give them amusement.

They will spit on the work you carefully worked on throughout the years and celebrate that.

Thus, you don't negotiate. Instead, you go to their higher-ups and highlight that the company's resources are being misappropriated for petty squabbles and personal tilting at windmills.

Though sadly nowadays it has gotten way more difficult, because a greater portion of bureaucratic, community and HR positions in the companies are captured, so when the damage is noticed, it may already be too late.

Re:RedHat employee bans Hyprland creator from fdo by pests on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @03:13PM (#39983074)
Is this satire? Are we really at the level of policing thoughts?
Re:RedHat employee bans Hyprland creator from fdo by throwaway_62022 on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @04:21PM (#39983804)
So, whatever is posted publicly on "polite" forums about what was going on Hyprland discord is tip of the iceberg. See for yourself - https://imgur.com/a/6Po3Paq

Hyprland discord appears to be a cesspool and one fermented by Vaxry himself, trans hate or otherwise. Now some people are saying - they have improved (and others are saying they have not). But reading his blog posts and seeing current status, I am not optimistic. I mean you can't make this stuff up. Why use a opensource discord community for sharing porn? (which likely have minors).

Re:RedHat employee bans Hyprland creator from fdo by midnight2 on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @04:25PM (#39983854)
So? Is xe a discord moderator? Are you?

Stay out of other people's business. What they say and do in their discord server has nothing to do with code contributions an owner of the server makes.

Re:RedHat employee bans Hyprland creator from fdo by bitwize on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @03:38PM (#39983336)
No. We are at the level of holding people accountable for their BEHAVIOR. Something that historically hasn't been done, resulting in a chilling effect on contributions from decent people, especially those from marginalized groups. That's changing.

You can fulminate about trans people all you like in the quiet of your own home, but if you harass or intimidate them in a publicly viewable way, there will be consequences. And when a code of conduct board member for a project approaches you and tells you you need to do better, any response other than "Yes, sir/ma'am/other, I will do better" is grounds for questioning whether you should be permitted to contribute further to the project.

Re:RedHat employee bans Hyprland creator from fdo by midnight2 on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @04:24PM (#39983841)
You say this, but I don't think you're right.

Will the invasion of FOSS continue?

Never opposed by sane normal people?

Be ready for the masses to say "no" when you order them around.

A time when mentally ill men aren't given rule over all FOSS projects is coming.

Woman fights back!

Now read the first word of each line above :)

Re:RedHat employee bans Hyprland creator from fdo by jdiff on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @09:10PM (#39985972)
Normal people aren't raging transphobes and won't tolerate your presence as you make others feel unwelcome. You'll find that out eventually.
Re:RedHat employee bans Hyprland creator from fdo by midnight2 on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @09:25PM (#39986062)
Normal people aren't hall monitors and don't really care whether you're offended, just about avoiding your censorship boot. You'll find that out eventually.
Re:RedHat employee bans Hyprland creator from fdo by DarkByte8 on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @04:31PM (#39983922)
The more you talk the more people will avoid you and people like you. You are not holding people accountable you are having a power trip and enacting vengeance on perceived transgressions. He did not harass anyone and for past transgression he apologize but the CoC board member felt like he needed a power trip. People like you should be held far away from any position of power.
Re:RedHat employee bans Hyprland creator from fdo by PlutoIsAPlanet on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @05:58PM (#39984745)
> No. We are at the level of holding people accountable for their BEHAVIOR

Someone has been held accountable for their behaviour and apologised, it doesn't mean they're forever in your debt and on a chain.

Re:RedHat employee bans Hyprland creator from fdo by DarkByte8 on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @11:54AM (#39980763)
> When trans people and trans allies have positions of authority in an open-source community, public transphobes will get issued preemptive bans for the health of the community and the project. It is altogether fitting and proper that this be done.

It sounds like abuse of power

Re:RedHat employee bans Hyprland creator from fdo by zilti on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @07:13PM (#39985322)
> Refusing to acknowledge and respect a person's gender identity is transphobic

He didn't do that though. He made fun of that person's obsession with pronouns. It is so simple, really - if you're a (trans/cis) woman, it's "she/her", if you're a (trans/cis) man, it's "he/him"; and if you think you need to shove your incredible uniqueness into everyone's conversation by coming up with something else, it's time to see a therapist for your narcissism.

Re:RedHat employee bans Hyprland creator from fdo by josteink on Thursday April 11, 2024 @04:23PM (#40006431)
> Refusing to acknowledge and respect a person's gender identity is transphobic

No that’s simply acknowledging biological reality.

We don’t affirm schizophrenia or anorexia. Why would you affirm other mental disorders?