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Re:Teachers are using AI to grade essays. Some experts are r... by RobotToaster on Saturday April 06, 2024 @06:13PM (#39956120)
To quote Zizek:

"that AI will be the death of learning & so on; to this, I say NO! My student brings me their essay, which has been written by AI, & I plug it into my grading AI, & we are free! While the 'learning' happens, our superego satisfied, we are free now to learn whatever we want"

Re:Teachers are using AI to grade essays. Some experts are r... by cjk2 on Saturday April 06, 2024 @06:44PM (#39956339)
To quote me: "That's what happens when you go listen to philosophers. You get ideas. Wrong ones."

I spent a lot of time with academic philosophers and have found precisely fuck all insight.

Re:Teachers are using AI to grade essays. Some experts are r... by theturtletalks on Saturday April 06, 2024 @06:56PM (#39956430)
The best philosophic ideas I’ve read come from programmers and builders. I don’t know why that connection exists. My hunch is that programming and philosophy both deal in the abstract so are inherently connected somehow.
Re:Teachers are using AI to grade essays. Some experts are r... by JumpCrisscross on Saturday April 06, 2024 @07:10PM (#39956527)
> I don’t know why that connection exists

It doesn’t. The meaningful connection is between other programmers and you. Same reason some people like sports metaphors. The medium is the message.

Re:Teachers are using AI to grade essays. Some experts are r... by cjk2 on Saturday April 06, 2024 @07:33PM (#39956677)
Philosophy deals with things that sound good but don’t work in reality. So does programming. I think that’s where the inherent connection is.

I was going to put a facetious comment about Marx’s grave and my contribution to philosophy but I’ll leave that for another post.

Re:Teachers are using AI to grade essays. Some experts are r... by Joker_vD on Saturday April 06, 2024 @06:28PM (#39956235)
...why even bother with essays at all then. This is some kind of insane "they pretend to pay us, we pretend to work" setup that benefits nobody.
Re:Teachers are using AI to grade essays. Some experts are r... by acchow on Saturday April 06, 2024 @06:58PM (#39956447)
Students shouldn’t be turning in essays. They should turn in the chat history with an LLM. We need to go beyond just putting your own thoughts into words but instead guiding students on how to explore and hone their own thoughts with AI.

If they come up with metprocesses to game this, that’s a win.

Re:Teachers are using AI to grade essays. Some experts are r... by joe_the_user on Saturday April 06, 2024 @08:23PM (#39956963)
The situation is that school want to teach people to write, a difficult skill. But the problem is being a bureaucracy schools actually operate by "turn in two shitty half-assed essays every semester and eventually we hope you'll learn".

And now chatGpt can duplicate that and there's no real skill involved in getting it to do that and neither do they "explore and hone their own thoughts" in this process, mostly you can just an assignment to ChatGpt.

Re:Teachers are using AI to grade essays. Some experts are r... by skeledrew on Sunday April 07, 2024 @10:08AM (#39960880)
I feel like we should be doing again an analysis from first principles, determining the purpose behind having students learn X, and determine how useful it is given today's context. If AI can do X well enough, then students should really be taught how to use it to do X for them. Or perhaps there isn't even a need for X at all anymore; just a nice-to-know.
Re:Teachers are using AI to grade essays. Some experts are r... by Joker_vD on Saturday April 06, 2024 @07:03PM (#39956475)
They'd just ask ChatGPT to invent a suitably profound prompt history, and that's it?
Re:Teachers are using AI to grade essays. Some experts are r... by zamfi on Saturday April 06, 2024 @06:40PM (#39956319)
> benefits nobody

That would be the point. Why bother at all?

Re:Teachers are using AI to grade essays. Some experts are r... by ethbr1 on Saturday April 06, 2024 @06:56PM (#39956428)
Because brain development happens under external stress, and absent that people stay dumb.
Re:Teachers are using AI to grade essays. Some experts are r... by skeledrew on Sunday April 07, 2024 @10:09AM (#39960888)
Source?
Re:Teachers are using AI to grade essays. Some experts are r... by moffkalast on Sunday April 07, 2024 @04:14AM (#39959179)
> "they pretend to pay us, we pretend to work" setup that benefits nobody

It benefits the existing social structures, so they don't actually have to change with the times but can remain in a half-assed patched state that barely holds on because nobody wants to deal with the full rewrite.

Re:Teachers are using AI to grade essays. Some experts are r... by johnchristopher on Sunday April 07, 2024 @11:11AM (#39961280)
It's a process. Maybe it'll stick as a ritual.
Re:Teachers are using AI to grade essays. Some experts are r... by ravelfan on Sunday April 07, 2024 @06:47AM (#39959912)
I can't believe people think this guy is anything other than utterly full of shit and a fraud.

That quote is totally moronic as usual.

I would even say I don't want to read anything by anyone who thinks Zizek has anything interesting to say. Instant block or else I may become infected by the stupidity.