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Re:AI and the Problem of Knowledge Collapse by thesz on Friday April 05, 2024 @08:00PM (#39948718)
> But, you can generally prompt around this sort of thing by asking the model to adopt a preferred context such as "you're an expert xxx", providing of course that is did see such expert-tagged material in the training set.

So, I need LM to be an expert in SAT solving and an expert Haskell programmer. This means I need LM to be trained on the SAT solving and on vast amount of Haskell code.

I think it is already easy to see that LM should be trained in an intersection of quite fringe (yes, I am watching that TV series right now) things.

I also think that it is beyond reason to ask for this.

Re:AI and the Problem of Knowledge Collapse by p1esk on Friday April 05, 2024 @10:08PM (#39949424)
Please get back to us when you try whatever you’re trying to do with a good model (gpt4, opus, or ultra).

I recommend refraining from making (and especially from posting) any conclusions until then.

Re:AI and the Problem of Knowledge Collapse by thesz on Saturday April 06, 2024 @02:38PM (#39954431)
> a good model

Strongly reminds me of "no true scotsman."

If you have an access to a good model, try that simple problem of blocked clause decomposition and please get back to us.

Re:AI and the Problem of Knowledge Collapse by p1esk on Saturday April 06, 2024 @03:34PM (#39954806)
I do have access to good models, but you are the one making far reaching statements about LLMs.

Please preface your future posts on the topic with “I’ve never tried any decent models, so I don’t know what I’m talking about”.

Re:AI and the Problem of Knowledge Collapse by thesz on Saturday April 06, 2024 @05:52PM (#39955943)
I will include such disclaimer after you prove me wrong as you have means to do that.
Re:AI and the Problem of Knowledge Collapse by p1esk on Saturday April 06, 2024 @06:42PM (#39956324)
Sounds good. What prompt do you want me to try?
Re:AI and the Problem of Knowledge Collapse by thesz on Sunday April 07, 2024 @02:36AM (#39958668)
"Please implement blocked clause decomposition in Haskell"

I, actually, asked my friend to ask whatever LLM he paid for to perform this experiment. I think he uses latest or previous GPT. At least he is paying for it which I cannot do and won't do in foreseeable future.

Just like I said above, not only LLM failed to properly implement the algorithm, it failed to provide even remotely correct types for clauses and blocked clauses.

What happened next amused me like nothing else related to AI.

The exchange that followed incorrect initial attempt, GPT clearly tried to persuade my friend to implement the correct version for it, constantly providing him with partially (and stupidly) incorrect code.

This is exactly what MathCraft [1] does.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyc#MathCraft

And this behavior is clealy counterproductive. This is not what one might expect from anything that is advertized as a good assisting measure. I can use ghci, vim and actual paper with much greater effect.

Re:AI and the Problem of Knowledge Collapse by thesz on Sunday April 07, 2024 @02:47AM (#39958728)
The LLM under test was GPT 4 turbo.
Re:AI and the Problem of Knowledge Collapse by freeone3000 on Saturday April 06, 2024 @12:20AM (#39949924)
>This means I need LM to be trained on the SAT solving and on vast amount of Haskell code.

Essentially why the current batch of top-tier LLMs are trained on a pile of text amounting to “the internet”, containing every haskell q&a on stackoverflow, every sat implementation on github, and every explaination of those terms on wikipedia. It might seem unreasonable without the sense of scale and expense of building these things; but yes, it has those input data in its training set.

Re:AI and the Problem of Knowledge Collapse by thesz on Saturday April 06, 2024 @05:58PM (#39955995)
Blocked clause decomposition is implemented in, I think, two SAT preprocessors in SAT solvers, both are C++. There are about three to five different articles on the topic.

For LLM to implement BCD in Haskell it needs to be able to translate between Haskell and C++ and it is well beyond trivial.