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Re:Proton Mail says Outlook for Windows is Microsoft's new d... by avery17 on Friday April 05, 2024 @06:58AM (#39940900)
Does anyone have a good desktop email client they recommend for windows or linux or even self hosted? All the ones ive tried are pretty awful... The problem is outlook was actually good in the past.
Re:Proton Mail says Outlook for Windows is Microsoft's new d... by squarefoot on Friday April 05, 2024 @08:34AM (#39941628)
Claws Mail.

https://www.claws-mail.org/index.php

It's lightning fast, to the point I can keep all my emails online (>70000 posts), all accounts, all mail lists, everything, since day one about 30 years ago, and search through them at any moment.

Runs pretty much everywhere, including ARM, also there are tools to import mail and contacts from Outlook.

Re:Proton Mail says Outlook for Windows is Microsoft's new d... by noirscape on Friday April 05, 2024 @08:35AM (#39941632)
Thunderbird for desktop. If you're selfhosting your mail, the best webmail client is Roundcube. Sure it ain't pretty, but it's robust as hell.

For android, use K-9 Mail (it's on F-Droid).

Re:Proton Mail says Outlook for Windows is Microsoft's new d... by NoGravitas on Friday April 05, 2024 @09:57AM (#39942447)
Rainloop is an okay, simpler webmail client. It is lacking in a lot of features that Roundcube has, but sometimes you just want easy access to your email when you're away from your full-featured desktop client.

K-9 is good; it's going to be rebranded as Thunderbird for Android soon. FairEmail is also good. It has a different set of trade-offs from K-9, so better for some people, worse for others.

Re:Proton Mail says Outlook for Windows is Microsoft's new d... by grepfru_it on Friday April 05, 2024 @07:04AM (#39940927)
The only other decent mail client is thunderbird. There exists no mail client that is as full featured as outlook.

Horde/imp maybe maybe is the closest thing you get in web form. But every mail client has a limitation that outlook does not have

Re:Proton Mail says Outlook for Windows is Microsoft's new d... by laborat on Friday April 05, 2024 @07:22AM (#39941030)
Unfortunately, I dislike thunderbird with a passion. In my anecdotal experience, its search is terrible - not to mention that there are two of it: a search option in the top panel that misses about 50% of relevant messages, and a very featureful search option buried within the menu bar that misses about 20% of relevant messages. Out of necessity, I've trained myself to just reboot to Windows any time I really need to find a particular email that I know I have somewhere. I also don't particularly like Thunderbird's UI, but that is something I'm able to compromise on.

Not meant to be a rant, but rather: please, someone, is this really the best we have?

Re:Proton Mail says Outlook for Windows is Microsoft's new d... by jasonjayr on Friday April 05, 2024 @07:35AM (#39941113)
Yea :(

Most everyone has moved to webmail implementations, since it's good enough. I think even folks with the tech know-how to self-host a webmail client have done so. Personally, I use RoundCube.

Re:Proton Mail says Outlook for Windows is Microsoft's new d... by andersa on Friday April 05, 2024 @07:37AM (#39941137)
Wait, what? I found thunderbird search to be a super power, so much more reliable (and fast) than outlook.
Re:Proton Mail says Outlook for Windows is Microsoft's new d... by elaus on Friday April 05, 2024 @08:07AM (#39941378)
I'm in the same boat. I've even installed Thunderbird and synced a mail account just to be able to find a specific mail that neither webmail nor the Android app were able to find.
Re:Proton Mail says Outlook for Windows is Microsoft's new d... by CJefferson on Friday April 05, 2024 @08:30AM (#39941584)
12 years ago I reported you can’t search for the word wedding, as it find any email that was sent on a Wednesday: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752844

Did it ever get fixed? Wasn’t fixed when I tried about 2 years ago.

Re:Proton Mail says Outlook for Windows is Microsoft's new d... by andersa on Friday April 05, 2024 @02:40PM (#39945612)
Interesting... you're right, this is giving me lots of wednesdays.
Re:Proton Mail says Outlook for Windows is Microsoft's new d... by a0123 on Friday April 05, 2024 @10:25AM (#39942751)
Search is still as bad as it ever was, unfortunately it remains the most feature complete alternative (and free).

And of course, Microsoft makes it impossible to use their services with it. Or so difficult you just give up after it breaks for the 5th time in a month.

Re:Proton Mail says Outlook for Windows is Microsoft's new d... by rapnie on Friday April 05, 2024 @07:40AM (#39941153)
> There exists no mail client that is as full featured as outlook

Possibly. It may also be the most feature-bloated unintuitive UI. Using Linux myself, but always astounded when helping my non-technical mother with the latest murky weirdness thrown at her by Outlook. Some people just need simple mail facilities, not a Rube Goldberg 'ribbonware' cube. And on Windows maybe most people want easy & simple.

Re:Proton Mail says Outlook for Windows is Microsoft's new d... by trelane on Friday April 05, 2024 @08:31AM (#39941589)
> Some people just need simple mail facilities, not a Rube Goldberg 'ribbonware' cube.

Fortunately for those people, mutt still exists.

Re:Proton Mail says Outlook for Windows is Microsoft's new d... by collsni on Friday April 05, 2024 @07:33AM (#39941099)
2nd for Thunderbird, I like it alot
Re:Proton Mail says Outlook for Windows is Microsoft's new d... by the__alchemist on Friday April 05, 2024 @07:35AM (#39941116)
I have really tried to like Thunderbird. I can't. Its search is broken, it's very slow, it inserts awkward formatting in emails (Ie space below and above each line), the reply functionality is awk etc. I know it's time to go when I have to switch back to fastmail's web client to do anything "serious".

I still have it installed because I want to like it, but.. No. This post has inspired me to delete it.

Re:Proton Mail says Outlook for Windows is Microsoft's new d... by zelphirkalt on Friday April 05, 2024 @09:03AM (#39941860)
Have you maybe configured it to search online or something?

I have used TB for years and still use it daily, daily getting some 30+ emails, that I tag and sort into folders and all that. My TB profile is several GB in size. Search is instant for me, on all my hardware, including older laptops and even an old X200, with some upgraded parts.

I am not sure how it could be slow, so I am guessing something like your search needs to look for things online maybe, instead of in small inboxes and local folders.

Re:Proton Mail says Outlook for Windows is Microsoft's new d... by grepfru_it on Friday April 05, 2024 @10:57PM (#39949618)
>several GB

I have all of my mail going back to 2001..

Re:Proton Mail says Outlook for Windows is Microsoft's new d... by rstuart4133 on Friday April 12, 2024 @05:42AM (#40010881)
I have all my email going back to then too. Many GB. I always download all of it locally. The global search bar (which searches all of it) appears instantaneous. It must be well under under 200ms. Every time I've verified the result with grep the results are accurate. I have no idea how they get it so fast.

Searching within a folder is different. It does a linear scan. If you don't search the body it's fast enough - a few seconds I guess on a big folder. If you search the body of the email in a big file, then yes it can take a while.

Re:Proton Mail says Outlook for Windows is Microsoft's new d... by saratogacx on Friday April 05, 2024 @03:59PM (#39946511)
The Spacing isn't that weird. It just wraps paragraphs inside of paragraph tags. If you use Shift-enter you get a new line w/out a paragraph. The only real change I've had to do there is just hit enter once, where I used to hit twice.
Re:Proton Mail says Outlook for Windows is Microsoft's new d... by BirAdam on Friday April 05, 2024 @07:45AM (#39941194)
Evolution.
Re:Proton Mail says Outlook for Windows is Microsoft's new d... by zelphirkalt on Friday April 05, 2024 @09:06AM (#39941879)
I would add though, that TB has features, that Outlook does not have, so it is not like TB only implements a subset of functionality that Outlook offers, but rather it implements different features and, at least for me, it is way better than Outlook ever was.
Re:Proton Mail says Outlook for Windows is Microsoft's new d... by l_nk on Friday April 05, 2024 @08:02AM (#39941322)
I use emClient. Its paid, but its a one time fee and the client works very well event with calendar integration (gmail and outlook).
Re:Proton Mail says Outlook for Windows is Microsoft's new d... by 3np on Friday April 05, 2024 @07:32AM (#39941092)
I tried most of them.

It's a little bit different but Astroid is great and my favorite GUI desktop client right now. Lightweight, flexible and renders html all right. It uses notmuch, which takes a little bit of setup but in return you get really good search which I never felt a need to tune. You should also try out if either thunderbird, evolution or kmail does it for you.

If you're up for terminal, aerc (optionally supports notmuch).

roundcube for self-hosted webmail. cypht could also be worth checking out. maybe later on mailpile when/if they get their 2.0 out.

Re:Proton Mail says Outlook for Windows is Microsoft's new d... by jpeeler on Friday April 05, 2024 @10:17AM (#39942651)
Does Astroid feel done? Because the last commit was 7 months ago.
Re:Proton Mail says Outlook for Windows is Microsoft's new d... by 3np on Friday April 05, 2024 @06:11PM (#39947883)
I wouldn't be that absolute about it, but nothing comes to mind as missing or broken from the top of my head so far. That being said, it does look like it would benefit from some more support: https://github.com/astroidmail/astroid/issues/669

https://github.com/astroidmail/astroid/issues/744

...How's your C++? (;

Re:Proton Mail says Outlook for Windows is Microsoft's new d... by npteljes on Friday April 05, 2024 @08:30AM (#39941575)
I have tried several, and liked none of them. I'm currently on Geary, but it's lacking in functionality, and it has things like search results being a bit different upon each of my searches. Starred messages cannot be shown on top. Eyeroll.

I think Evolution and Thunderbird are the top contenders, and of the self-hosted ones, Roundcube.

https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Geary

https://roundcube.net/

Re:Proton Mail says Outlook for Windows is Microsoft's new d... by BirAdam on Friday April 05, 2024 @07:44AM (#39941190)
I really like Mutt.

Vivaldi’s mail client isn’t bad.

I think Evolution is okay.

Re:Proton Mail says Outlook for Windows is Microsoft's new d... by gtech1 on Friday April 05, 2024 @07:39AM (#39941151)
I fully ditched Outlook because of this crap. Been using eM Client (emclient.com) for a few months now and love it.
Re:Proton Mail says Outlook for Windows is Microsoft's new d... by garyclarke27 on Friday April 05, 2024 @07:42AM (#39941169)
On Mac You can still use the old Outlook. You have to switch back everytime there is an update but it's very easy. The new one is awful because it does not have tabular list view, with sortable columns such as: datetime, from, to, cc, etc which are critical for me.
Re:Proton Mail says Outlook for Windows is Microsoft's new d... by cynicalsecurity on Friday April 05, 2024 @07:56AM (#39941278)
Thunderbird.
Re:Proton Mail says Outlook for Windows is Microsoft's new d... by globular-toast on Friday April 05, 2024 @08:07AM (#39941377)
> The problem is outlook was actually good in the past.

That's not a problem, it's just a (dubious) statement.

The problem is to find a mail client that is good now. Thunderbird is the best.

Re:Proton Mail says Outlook for Windows is Microsoft's new d... by exitzer0 on Friday April 05, 2024 @07:18AM (#39940997)
Evolution seems to work fine for me.
Re:Proton Mail says Outlook for Windows is Microsoft's new d... by Paianni on Friday April 05, 2024 @09:00AM (#39941832)
nPOPuk?