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Re:Amazon Ditches 'Just Walk Out' Checkouts at Its Grocery S... by robertlagrant on Tuesday April 02, 2024 @07:04PM (#39911804)
> Another benefit of having a proper social safety net I guess.

I doubt it's as simple as this. People don't only steal because they could technically afford things. Just as people don't only kill in self defence.

Re:Amazon Ditches 'Just Walk Out' Checkouts at Its Grocery S... by ScoobleDoodle on Tuesday April 02, 2024 @07:32PM (#39911998)
Social safety net is more than just being able to afford it. It's a combination of not being able to afford it and general erosion of social values leading to "take what you can get away with" mentality. So even those that can afford it will still try to get more since it's everyone for themselves.

Instead of cooperation under a system with a social safety net, we get a game theoretic weighting on defection without a social safety net.

Re:Amazon Ditches 'Just Walk Out' Checkouts at Its Grocery S... by wolverine876 on Tuesday April 02, 2024 @07:58PM (#39912152)
> Social safety net is more than just being able to afford it. It's a combination of not being able to afford it and general erosion of social values leading to "take what you can get away with" mentality.

There's a causal arrow in the other direction, IMHO: People like to believe in the 'law of the jungle' mentality and thus vote to cut the safety net. IME it's especially wealthy people for whom it's a kind of game, not trauma, deprivation (of education, health care, food, housing, safety) and survival, and who also get to pay lower taxes, Didn't Jamie Dimon talk about how he liked how 'animal spirits' have been awakened?

Re:Amazon Ditches 'Just Walk Out' Checkouts at Its Grocery S... by doktrin on Tuesday April 02, 2024 @08:52PM (#39912502)
A lot of house cats walking around imagining themselves to be lions.
Re:Amazon Ditches 'Just Walk Out' Checkouts at Its Grocery S... by robertlagrant on Wednesday April 03, 2024 @04:16AM (#39914789)
> Instead of cooperation under a system with a social safety net, we get a game theoretic weighting on defection without a social safety net.

There is a safety net. Here's how I'd describe the situation:

There will be a number of people, fewer than the total who benefit from the safety net, who almost everyone would say it was good that they were helped.

There will be a number of people, fewer than the total who benefit from the safety net, who almost everyone would say it was not good that they were helped.

Most of politics around this topic is people's differing beliefs in the proportions of the above, and how bought in they are to minimising the latter count because they pay taxes.

Re:Amazon Ditches 'Just Walk Out' Checkouts at Its Grocery S... by moffkalast on Wednesday April 03, 2024 @05:13AM (#39915071)
> who almost everyone would say it was not good that they were helped

I'm sorry, what? Only in the US helping someone can be sold as a bad thing. It's better to help a few more people that may not really need it than help a few fewer that actually did.

Re:Amazon Ditches 'Just Walk Out' Checkouts at Its Grocery S... by robertlagrant on Wednesday April 03, 2024 @08:50AM (#39916772)
> I'm sorry, what? Only in the US helping someone can be sold as a bad thing. It's better to help a few more people that may not really need it than help a few fewer that actually did.

I think it's worth reading the complete comment and you'll see where what you said fits my wider point.

Re:Amazon Ditches 'Just Walk Out' Checkouts at Its Grocery S... by adolph on Tuesday April 02, 2024 @10:55PM (#39913166)

  I enjoy stealin', it's just as simple as that
  Oh well, it's just a simple fact
  When I want something, man, I don't wanna pay for it
https://genius.com/Janes-addiction-been-caught-stealing-lyri...