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Re:Is social media behind an epidemic of teenage mental illn... by huytersd on Sunday March 31, 2024 @06:26PM (#39888657)
For the most part, yes.
Re:Is social media behind an epidemic of teenage mental illn... by datascienced on Sunday March 31, 2024 @06:31PM (#39888700)
Feels like 1952 again. When Alan Turing was jailed for homosexuality.

To be generous I would say maybe some people have a disorder and that causes them to state they are non binary, but the implication isn’t the other way.

Similarly a mental disorder may make someone obsessed with levels and coding 80hrs a week!

Re:Is social media behind an epidemic of teenage mental illn... by obunta on Sunday March 31, 2024 @07:35PM (#39889290)
It doesn't really make any sense as a distinguishing concept anyway, as pretty much the entire human population is "non binary".
Re:Is social media behind an epidemic of teenage mental illn... by huytersd on Sunday March 31, 2024 @09:19PM (#39889936)
That’s as sensible as saying humans lie on a species spectrum and it’s not inconceivable that someone identifies as a fox.
Re:Is social media behind an epidemic of teenage mental illn... by obunta on Sunday March 31, 2024 @09:28PM (#39889997)
Adherence to cultural sex stereotypes is a spectrum, isn't it? Within the context mentioned by the other commenter, that's what "non binary" refers to: not behaving in an entirely feminine or masculine manner.
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Re:Is social media behind an epidemic of teenage mental illn... by obunta on Sunday March 31, 2024 @10:14PM (#39890246)
I think we may be talking past each other. How does what you're saying relate to the "non binary" concept?
Re:Is social media behind an epidemic of teenage mental illn... by huytersd on Sunday March 31, 2024 @10:31PM (#39890334)
I don’t think we are. Fundamentally human sex is a binary. You’re one or the other based on your genes (with the exception of chromosomal aberrations). Aping the behavior of the other sex doesn’t change anything just like aping the behavior of another species doesn’t change that you are human. Saying you’re “non-binary” is akin to saying you are “multi-species”.
Re:Is social media behind an epidemic of teenage mental illn... by obunta on Monday April 01, 2024 @12:06AM (#39890822)
What do you mean by "the behavior of the other sex"?

Surely it's only reproductive behavior that is actually sex-specific? For females that would be pregnancy, gestation, birth, and so on. For males, ejaculating semen.

Other behaviors can be performed by either sex, wouldn't you agree? So when someone says they are "non binary" because they don't perform some extreme of femininity or masculinity, based on whatever cultural sex stereotypes they've been exposed to, they are one amongst billions of other individuals who also don't do that, aren't they?

Re:Is social media behind an epidemic of teenage mental illn... by defrost on Sunday March 31, 2024 @10:42PM (#39890398)
Sure.

This is as absolutely true as saying elements within the universe are fundementally binary, an atom is either hydrogen or helium (with the exception of atomic aberrations).

The math is the same, 2% of elements within the universe are other than H or He, and 2% of human births have chromosomal aberrations.

Re:Is social media behind an epidemic of teenage mental illn... by datascienced on Sunday March 31, 2024 @11:18PM (#39890628)
As an aside don’t astronomers call any non H/He element “metal”?
Re:Is social media behind an epidemic of teenage mental illn... by defrost on Monday April 01, 2024 @12:10AM (#39890841)
Bang on - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallicity

To be clearer (and fair to the context): "Pure" intersex is

     conditions in which chromosomal sex is inconsistent with phenotypic sex, or in which the phenotype is not classifiable as either male or female", stating the prevalence of intersex is about 0.018%
whereas more general chromosomal aberrations that deviate from " unquestionably male " or from " unquestionably female " come in at just under 2% (as I recall).

FWiW I believe there's a bit more to behaviour than pure genetics but it's a hard one to pin down; outside of western society there are many places with a long history for not caring about gender nearly as much as abrahamic westerners seem to; the Bugis, pacific sistergirls, etc.

From a datascience perspective there's a non zero number of actual people in Australia that are born intersex and neither male nor female at birth to warrent a non specific gender entry on passport databases .. as a matter of cold pragmatic fact divorced from any "woke" and|or "culture war" politic posturing.

Re:Is social media behind an epidemic of teenage mental illn... by kelseyfrog on Sunday March 31, 2024 @10:35PM (#39890357)
How much do you know about reification as it applies to the field of sociology? It might be something worth looking into.
Re:Is social media behind an epidemic of teenage mental illn... by huytersd on Sunday March 31, 2024 @11:56PM (#39890774)
I don’t think your genetic makeup is an abstraction.
Re:Is social media behind an epidemic of teenage mental illn... by kelseyfrog on Monday April 01, 2024 @12:12AM (#39890855)
So not really familiar then?
Re:Is social media behind an epidemic of teenage mental illn... by huytersd on Monday April 01, 2024 @04:32PM (#39898902)
Reification is the false assumption of using something abstract to make an objective classification. My point is in this case the underlying is not abstract, it’s as objective as it gets (your genetic makeup is a fact).
Re:Is social media behind an epidemic of teenage mental illn... by kelseyfrog on Monday April 01, 2024 @09:47PM (#39901530)
Things that are grounded can be reified. That's often the case. Grounding gender in chromosomes doesn't mean that gender isn't being reified.