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Re:XZ backdoor: "It's RCE, not auth bypass, and gated/unrepl... by legobmw99 on Saturday March 30, 2024 @07:08PM (#39879546)
Why would open source models make this scenario you are painting better?
Re:XZ backdoor: "It's RCE, not auth bypass, and gated/unrepl... by undersuit on Saturday March 30, 2024 @07:17PM (#39879593)
Because in the closed source model the frustrated developer that looked into this SSH slowness submits a ticket for the owner of the malicious code to dismiss.
Re:XZ backdoor: "It's RCE, not auth bypass, and gated/unrepl... by matrix_overload on Saturday March 30, 2024 @08:10PM (#39879953)
Not necessarily. A frustrated developer posts about it, it catches attention of someone who knows how to use Ghidra et al, and it gets dug out quite fast.

Except, with closed-source software maintained by a for-profit company, suck cockup would mean a huge reputational hit, with billions of dollars of lost market cap. So, there are very high incentives for companies to vet their devs, have proper code reviews, etc.

But with open-source, anyone can be a contributor, everyone is a friend, and nobody is reliably real-world-identifiable. So, carrying out such attacks is easier by orders magnitude.

Re:XZ backdoor: "It's RCE, not auth bypass, and gated/unrepl... by yodsanklai on Saturday March 30, 2024 @08:56PM (#39880302)
> So, there are very high incentives for companies to vet their devs, have proper code reviews, etc.

I'm not sure about that. It takes a few leetcode interviews to get in major tech companies. As for the review process, it's not always thorough (if it looks legit and the tests pass...). However, employees are identifiable and would take huge risk to be caught doing anything fishy.

Re:XZ backdoor: "It's RCE, not auth bypass, and gated/unrepl... by Randalthorro on Saturday March 30, 2024 @09:51PM (#39880607)
Absolutely not. Getting a job at any critical infrastructure software dev company is easier than contributing to the Linux kernel.
Re:XZ backdoor: "It's RCE, not auth bypass, and gated/unrepl... by OsrsNeedsf2P on Sunday March 31, 2024 @12:14AM (#39881378)
Can confirm. I may work at Meta, but I was nearly banned from contributing to an open source project because my commits kept introducing bugs.
Re:XZ backdoor: "It's RCE, not auth bypass, and gated/unrepl... by ivlad on Sunday March 31, 2024 @12:52AM (#39881545)
We witnessed Juniper generating their VPN keys with Dual EC DRGB, and then the generator constants subverted with Juniper claiming of now knowing how did it happen.

I don’t think it affected Juniper firewall business in any significant way.

Re:XZ backdoor: "It's RCE, not auth bypass, and gated/unrepl... by cqqxo4zV46cp on Saturday March 30, 2024 @07:54PM (#39879853)
It’s insane to consider the actual discovery of this to be anything other than a lightning strike. What’s more interesting here is that we can say with near certainty that there are other backdoors like this out there.
Re:XZ backdoor: "It's RCE, not auth bypass, and gated/unrepl... by Randalthorro on Saturday March 30, 2024 @09:52PM (#39880612)
Time to start looking at similar cases for sure.
Re:XZ backdoor: "It's RCE, not auth bypass, and gated/unrepl... by legobmw99 on Saturday March 30, 2024 @07:38PM (#39879743)
This seems completely unrelated to the grandparent comment’s mention of open source LLMs
Re:XZ backdoor: "It's RCE, not auth bypass, and gated/unrepl... by undersuit on Sunday March 31, 2024 @09:42PM (#39890078)
You're right, I read the comment as:

> Imagine a future where state actors have hundreds of AI agents fixing bugs, gaining reputation while they slowly introduce backdoors. I really hope open source () succeed.

I guess we can only hope verifiable and open source models can counteract the state actors.