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Re:XZ backdoor: "It's RCE, not auth bypass, and gated/unrepl... by pbhjpbhj on Saturday March 30, 2024 @06:41PM (#39879389)
It seems like the backdoor creates the potential to "cause damage" but doesn't [provably?] cause damage per se?

The author of the backdoor doesn't themselves "[cause] the transmission of a program ...". Others do the transmission.

Seems weak, unless you know of some precedent case(s)?

Re:XZ backdoor: "It's RCE, not auth bypass, and gated/unrepl... by semiquaver on Saturday March 30, 2024 @08:19PM (#39880026)
The malicious author caused the transmission of the release tarball to GitHub and the official project site. This act was intentional and as a direct result other computers were damaged (when their administrators unknowingly installed the backdoored library).

You’ve got to be joking if you’re saying that this wouldn’t be an open and shut case to prosecute. It’s directly on point. Law isn’t code, any jury would have zero trouble convicting on these facts.

Re:XZ backdoor: "It's RCE, not auth bypass, and gated/unrepl... by refulgentis on Saturday March 30, 2024 @08:30PM (#39880125)
Hello fellow "law isn't code" traveller. (my least favorite engineer habit!)
Re:XZ backdoor: "It's RCE, not auth bypass, and gated/unrepl... by whartung on Saturday March 30, 2024 @07:24PM (#39879637)
The back door is damage. The resulting sshd is like a door with a broken lock. This patch breaks the lock. Transmitting the patch caused intentional damage.
Re:XZ backdoor: "It's RCE, not auth bypass, and gated/unrepl... by refulgentis on Saturday March 30, 2024 @08:29PM (#39880115)
Law isn't code. If someone finds precedent, there will be a way to argue it doesn't cover this specific scenario. They call this conversational process "hypos" in law school, and this fundamental truth is why you never hear of a lawyer being stumped as to how to defend a client.

Ultimately, the CFAA will get it done if it gets that far, armchair lawyering aside.

To pressure test this fully, since this can be caricatured as "we can punish degenerate behavior as needed", which isn't necessarily great: it's also why there's a thin line between a authoritarian puppet judiciary and a fair one.