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Re:Backdoor in upstream xz/liblzma leading to SSH server com... by sonicanatidae on Friday March 29, 2024 @04:41PM (#39868770)
This would be the smarter attack vector, but I've noticed over time that these people are just assholes. They aren't patient. They are in for the smash/grab.

I would not be surprised if there was a group using this approach, but I doubt most of them are/would. If they were that dedicated, they'd just have a fucking job, instead of being dicks on the internet for a living.

Re:Backdoor in upstream xz/liblzma leading to SSH server com... by wyldberry on Friday March 29, 2024 @05:29PM (#39869222)
For some groups they certainly are.

However at this point: every developed nation has a professional offensive security group that have varying degrees of potency. All are more resourced than 99.9% of organizations defending and enjoy legal autonomy in their country and allied countries for their work.

If you're getting salaried comfortably, and you have near infinite resources, a two year timeline is trivial. As an American, I always like to point to things we know our own services have done first[0].

Each actor group have their own motivations and tactics[1]. As someone who spent a lot of time dealing with a few state actors, you learn your adversaries tricks of the trade and they are patient for the long-con because they can afford to be.

[0] - https://www.npr.org/2020/03/05/812499752/uncovering-the-cias... [1] - https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/security/def...

Re:Backdoor in upstream xz/liblzma leading to SSH server com... by cjbprime on Friday March 29, 2024 @05:06PM (#39869018)
I think you are confusing non-state e.g. ransomware groups, which are usually not part of a government (although some exceptions like North Korea likely exist) with state-sponsored hackers who are often directly working under military command. Soldiers are not "dicks on the internet".
Re:Backdoor in upstream xz/liblzma leading to SSH server com... by willdr on Friday March 29, 2024 @05:54PM (#39869418)
As someone who has been in a fair few discord chats with soldiers, I'd beg to differ...
Re:Backdoor in upstream xz/liblzma leading to SSH server com... by sonicanatidae on Monday April 01, 2024 @03:56PM (#39898446)
>As someone who has been in a fair few discord chats with soldiers, I'd beg to differ...

As someone that's spent a lot of time in darker places, I would agree.

Re:Backdoor in upstream xz/liblzma leading to SSH server com... by stephc_int13 on Friday March 29, 2024 @06:57PM (#39869933)
This is not that costly. Growing bonsai trees also takes a lot of patience, decades, but you don't have to grow only one at a time, the pros are growing them in large numbers, with minimal work on each individual trees once in a while.
Re:Backdoor in upstream xz/liblzma leading to SSH server com... by teddyh on Friday March 29, 2024 @07:03PM (#39869985)
There is a survivorship bias problem there; what if the stupid criminals are the only ones which you notice?
Re:Backdoor in upstream xz/liblzma leading to SSH server com... by Phenylacetyl on Friday March 29, 2024 @04:52PM (#39868863)
But what if being a dick on the internet is the job they do for a living?