Re:Is the Sun Conscious? [pdf]
by colordrops on Friday March 29, 2024 @04:11AM
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Is there any other definition of consciousness than one of a subjective experience that observes and reacts to its environment?
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What is a subjective experience? To me, this seems like an infinite regress problem.
Re:Is the Sun Conscious? [pdf]
by MacsHeadroom on Friday March 29, 2024 @08:42AM
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Subjective experience is the awareness of an internal representation.
What is awareness then? Do you see my point? Either you end up with a circle of references or an infinite regress of definitions to describe the ineffable.
It’s the problem of qualia [1]. They can’t really be defined, only pointed at. My experience of seeing the colour red is non-universalizable. Thus the word red can only point at it, it can’t describe or define it.
Re:Is the Sun Conscious? [pdf]
by strogonoff on Friday March 29, 2024 @11:11AM
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I would say there is no working definition of consciousness at all—and potentially there can’t be a complete and provably correct one, if we assume Gödel’s incompleteness theorem is true. The reason is that our arguments about consciousness originate from consciousness itself, we are building a model of the system while being inside of it. The only definitive statement that can be made, I guess, is that consciousness exists.
As far as consciousness that doesn’t react, there are materialist/behaviourist/illusionist views that hold that only observed behaviour matters and anything else may well not exist, but I personally am not convinced by them.