You can't leak users' data if you don't hold it

Re:You can't leak users' data if you don't hold it by throwawaysleep on Thursday March 28, 2024 @06:51PM (#39858372)

Users didn’t consider them just fine, as they immediately abandoned them when given the chance.

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Re:You can't leak users' data if you don't hold it by albumen on Thursday March 28, 2024 @07:21PM (#39858651)

That doesn't mean it's not harming them. Have addicts made the right choice by indulging their weakness?

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Re:You can't leak users' data if you don't hold it by Retric on Thursday March 28, 2024 @09:26PM (#39859573)

New and fun isn't the same as addictive.

We don't consider people watching TV, listing to the radio, or reading books as addicts yet people decried each of them as they became ever more popular for ruining the youth etc. People like stimulation and seem to indulge when it's new, but most people also get used to it relatively quickly.

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Re:You can't leak users' data if you don't hold it by dylan604 on Thursday March 28, 2024 @10:41PM (#39860045)

I think you're trying to move the goal posts. The apps on the new are absolutely without a shadow of doubt trying to make their users addicted. To even suggest they are not addictive is beyond pale, and makes you look like a not serious attempt at the discussion, or worse.

Your second sentence is null after your first.

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Re:You can't leak users' data if you don't hold it by Retric on Thursday March 28, 2024 @11:26PM (#39860367)

Pay to win apps aiming for addiction get a tiny number of whales out of millions of people. So yes apps try very hard, but the vast majority of people just don’t get addicted long term just obsessed for a short period.

Compare retention numbers between smoking and clash of clans, a clearly successful pay to win game, and it’s not even close.

We could talk about various other apps, but nobody has actually nailed addiction for the general population just the people highly susceptible to such behaviors.

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Re:You can't leak users' data if you don't hold it by dylan604 on Thursday March 28, 2024 @11:31PM (#39860400)

are you willfully being obtuse to the behaviors of the social apps FB, Tiktok, Twit...er,X and the ilk? Games of course are trying to be addictive to get you to buy more IAP/lootbox/otherHandInPocket concepts.

it's like you think a device is only able to play games which is clearly ludicrous.

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Re:You can't leak users' data if you don't hold it by Retric on Thursday March 28, 2024 @11:40PM (#39860453)

I simply used gaming to make it clear attempting to be addictive wasn’t the same as actually being addictive. Social Apps rise and fall in popularity just like everything else.

Meta has billions of users but that’s split across 4 platforms FB, WhatsApp, Instagram, and Messenger. So clearly popularity isn’t the same as addiction otherwise their FB app would be all they need.

Go back a few years and Netflix seem addictive as people binged shows, but I doubt anyone is seriously suggesting they are addictive today.

Q.E.D. New and fun isn't the same as addictive.

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Re:You can't leak users' data if you don't hold it by dylan604 on Friday March 29, 2024 @12:19AM (#39860650)

The only QED is your circular logic

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Re:You can't leak users' data if you don't hold it by Retric on Friday March 29, 2024 @12:37PM (#39866043)

I accept your concession.

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