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Re:Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison by skaag on Thursday March 28, 2024 @02:06PM (#39855287)
I'm an indirect victim via BlockFi (headed by Zach Prince), which did business with FTX and lost my money as a result. I held 33 ETH in a BlockFi BIA account, and only recently got 4 ETH back. I don't know if I will ever recover the rest of my funds.

I don't know what your financial situation is but I'm not rich, and it is extremely painful to look at ETH trading at above $3000 and realizing my rainy day fund has been stolen by criminal nincompoops.

My personal values dictate that I be significantly more careful with money when it is someone else's money. Even if you gave me $20 to get you a Burrito, I'll get you the best deal, tip the minimum, and give you your exact change. I'd even give you a few cents more just in case because I don't want to be owing you anything.

So when a group of people behaves irresponsibly with people's money it boils my blood. He deserves every jail year he got, just on the hubris alone.

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison by shookthrowaway on Thursday March 28, 2024 @03:15PM (#39856123)
That's a hundred thousand dollars. At the time the FTX news broke, that was worth 54290.28.

Sorry, but you can't say that you're "not rich," if you're throwing over half a hundred thousand dollars into cryptocurrency. 60% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/27/60percent-of-americans-are-s...

I'm sure you're a respectable person, and you might not be wealthy by Valley standards, but you're definitely rich. The median American in the 45–54 age bracket has merely seven thousand dollars more saved for retirement than you had thrown into crypto.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/30/vanguard-how-much-americans-...

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison by rrrrrrrrrrrryan on Thursday March 28, 2024 @04:19PM (#39856811)
Median household wealth is about $200k, and 90th percentile is about $1.6 million.

That means every tenth person in line at the DMV (a decent cross-section of society) is worth over a million dollars, and if you're in a major metropolitan area, much more.

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison by twiddling on Thursday March 28, 2024 @05:55PM (#39857827)
remove real estate from that equation.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison by triceratops on Thursday March 28, 2024 @03:25PM (#39856255)
> The median American in the 45–54 age bracket has merely seven thousand dollars more saved for retirement than you had thrown into crypto.

You should take those headlines with a grain of salt because they grossly misrepresent the studies they are reporting on. Quoting directly from your article:

"The median 401(k) balance is just $35,345."

Most people who have a 401(k) work at more than one company in their career and rarely roll funds over into the new company's 401(k). It's more common to leave it or roll it into an IRA.

All we know is the median 401(k) account balance at Vanguard is $35k. Vanguard doesn't know about these people's other retirement accounts at Fidelity or Schwab or wherever. If their customers hold IRAs at Vanguard, those aren't accounted for. In the case that a person has multiple 401(k) accounts with Vanguard, it wasn't even clear if the account balances are summed together and counted as one account.

tl;dr These reports are always about average and median retirement account balances, which is not at all the same as average and median retirement savings.

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison by nilamo on Thursday March 28, 2024 @07:51PM (#39858913)
Sure, sure, sure, but why are there so many retirees working at groceries/greeters? Are their multiple 401Ks not enough, for some reason?
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison by _gabe_ on Thursday March 28, 2024 @11:28PM (#39860373)
I worked at a grocery store for 5 years. A couple retirees worked there because they had to, but most of them just wanted something to do and health benefits.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison by triceratops on Sunday March 31, 2024 @09:02PM (#39889832)
Are there actually a lot of retirees working as greeters? Maybe you only see the ones who didn't save enough. Or maybe they have enough money but like getting out of the house. Or they're doing it for the health benefits.

I assume retirees prefer greeter jobs because those probably don't require lifting anything heavy, as a stocker or cashier might need to do.

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison by noncoml on Thursday March 28, 2024 @03:23PM (#39856230)
1. You don’t know at what price they got the ETH

2. Median doesn’t work that well here. They may not live in a median American town. You are probably uber rich in comparison to the median Earthling

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison by lupire on Thursday March 28, 2024 @10:42PM (#39860047)
Cryptocurrency is different because the primary value proposition is the "law of the jungle" market economics. The value of your tokens comes from the general swirl of criminal activity. You can't say you deserve the upside but not the downside risk.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison by NerdiDotOrg on Friday March 29, 2024 @02:25AM (#39861225)
Is false
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison by aurareturn on Friday March 29, 2024 @02:57AM (#39861352)
>So when a group of people behaves irresponsibly with people's money it boils my blood. He deserves every jail year he got, just on the hubris alone.

I don't want to rub on your wound but you need to take some responsibility as well. You knew crypto was risky. You knew many exchanges have scammed and went under, taking their customer's funds with them. It's arguable that every crypto exchange is shady and it's inevitable that every single one them will fall.

You should also blame the laws because exchanges and most crypto are clearly securities. But our law makers have been slow to respond and have probably been paid off by crypto money.

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison by javier2 on Saturday March 30, 2024 @08:09PM (#39879950)
Not that I would lose sleep in anger over my missing ETH (I was not hit by this, I did not have anything touching FTX), but I think your take is a little unreasonable when FTX clearly acted in a way that is directly illegal to do as a financial institution. I don't keep my life savings in crypto either, too risky, but still.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried sentenced to 25 years in prison by aurareturn on Sunday March 31, 2024 @04:10AM (#39882404)
Crypto has been largely unregulated. People who gamble with crypto should know that.

In fact, the same crypto bros argue that they should NOT be regulated.