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Re:MTA board votes to approve new $15 toll to drive into Man... by InitialLastName on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @04:09PM (#39843967)
Free parking and no sales tax on clothing.

There's a reason the big NYC area malls are in Paramus and Elizabeth.

Re:MTA board votes to approve new $15 toll to drive into Man... by BobaFloutist on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @04:13PM (#39844019)
So they're not paying sales tax?
Re:MTA board votes to approve new $15 toll to drive into Man... by InitialLastName on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @04:24PM (#39844156)
Sorry if that wasn't clear: NJ doesn't have a sales tax on clothing. NY does. Paramus and Elizabeth are where the 4-ish (the ones in Paramus blend together) giant malls outside of NYC are.
Re:MTA board votes to approve new $15 toll to drive into Man... by mike50 on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @08:24PM (#39846340)
High land costs pushed these kinds of land uses further and further from Manhattan. There are the same huge malls in Westchester and Nassau county.
Re:MTA board votes to approve new $15 toll to drive into Man... by evanelias on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @05:14PM (#39844680)
NY/NYC only charges sales tax on clothing over $110 per item.

In addition to the giant malls you mentioned, there's American Dream in East Rutherford. Parking isn't free there though. And all its clothing stores are closed on Sundays. (Ditto for the Paramus malls re: Sunday.)

Re:MTA board votes to approve new $15 toll to drive into Man... by lowkey_ on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @04:32PM (#39844243)
> There's a reason the big NYC area malls are in Paramus and Elizabeth.

I think the reason is that malls are just out-of-fashion.

If we consider the SoHo area to be the equivalent of a mall, or the North Williamsburg/Greenpoint area to be a mall, I'd bet they dwarf the Paramus & Elizabeth malls in GMV sold and foot traffic.

Re:MTA board votes to approve new $15 toll to drive into Man... by busterarm on Thursday March 28, 2024 @12:06AM (#39847680)
SoHo retail has been collapsing for more than a decade. Storefront availability was nearly 25% in 2017.
Re:MTA board votes to approve new $15 toll to drive into Man... by lowkey_ on Thursday March 28, 2024 @12:17PM (#39853534)
At least according to this article in 2017 [1], it looks like that was because of SoHo's soaring rents (because there's tons of great shopping which brings a lot of people there). It was also common across the country at the time.

It's apparently back and better than ever though [2].

And anecdotally, everyone I know shops much more in SoHo than they did a decade ago, even if the center has shifted to Williamsburg/Greenpoint and more thrifting / vintage stores.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/23/nyregion/soho-empty-store... [2] https://equicapmag.com/real-estate/soho-retail-rebounds/#:~:....