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Re:Porn sites are banning Texas by icyberbullyu on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @03:49PM (#39843751)
These websites are throwing a shit fit because they've been told that they won't be able to blindly serve this content to (potential) minors anymore. They're doing this because they either:

- Believe that a large portion of their user-base is minors, and a ban would hurt their bottom line

- Are unable to cheaply and efficiently roll out the infrastructure to verify, and do these digital checks

In reality it's probably a little of both of these categories that's causing their temper tantrum. In an attempt to get the government to lax up on them, they're taking it out on people who would legally be able to view this content; that's a pretty underhanded play in my opinion.

Whether or not you believe that easy access to hardcore pornography is bad for minors (I believe it is, personally), you have to admit that attempting to manufacture public outrage by 'taking their ball and going home' really shows where the alignment of these companies truly is. Imagine if alcohol manufactures started refusing to sell alcohol to bars that ID'd their patrons, you would have to wonder if such a manufacturer really was interested in peddling their product to minors.

Re:Porn sites are banning Texas by chatmasta on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @04:09PM (#39843971)
It's not contradictory to simultaneously hold the positions that (1) porn consumption is bad for minors, and (2) adults who watch porn should not be forced to upload identity documents to insecure systems managed by unwilling operators.

And that's just assuming the law could even be perfectly enforced! In reality, it will not be, and there will always be sites without the requirement (which will also be the "seedier" sites), or kids who work around it. So the end result is that kids end up watching even worse porn, while adults get their identities stolen and linked to their porn browsing habits.

Re:Porn sites are banning Texas by smallmancontrov on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @04:18PM (#39844078)
The OPM couldn't secure our intelligence community's blackmail database. I expect these jokers to do even worse.
Re:Porn sites are banning Texas by almatabata on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @04:23PM (#39844144)
> Believe that a large portion of their user-base is minors, and a ban would hurt their bottom line

How many people who are of age would hand over their personal information to a porn site unless they are already paying customers? Many people would not feel safe just handing over all of that information. They would lose both minors and adults who do not want to share that information.

I am curious, how would you suggest they roll out this digital check without hurting the users privacy? I have not seen a proposal that can scale across countries without becoming a privacy nightmare.

From my limited experience, most people are pretty onboard with blocking minors from accessing porn. The conflict always arises around the question of how you will achieve that.

Re:Porn sites are banning Texas by acchow on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @04:20PM (#39844109)
No, they’re doing this because they know that if people had to provide an ID to access porn than web porn consumption would fall (especially consumption of the more extreme stuff, which is the most lucrative).

They fear a rise of a porn black market which is non-monetizable.

Re:Porn sites are banning Texas by autoexecbat on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @04:52PM (#39844459)
It would just move off-shore, there would still be plenty of non-ID-required content
Re:Porn sites are banning Texas by parpfish on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @04:25PM (#39844169)
option three is that they see this legislation as the first step of an aggressive anti-porn campaign by the christian right.

right now it's age-verification under the guise of protecting kids. but the next demand will be to remove all non-hetero content. and then they'll ban porn completely.

Re:Porn sites are banning Texas by remotefonts on Thursday March 28, 2024 @10:36AM (#39852093)
By the way things are going on in the world faster they'll remove all hetero-only content.
Re:Porn sites are banning Texas by singleshot_ on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @04:32PM (#39844245)
> you would have to wonder

I would only wonder why a business would want to pay for something this stupid.

Re:Porn sites are banning Texas by olliej on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @04:11PM (#39843993)
No, they're doing that because there's no way to actually do what is being demanded safely. Again, parents should be (1) explaining porn to their kids when they get to the age where that might matter, and (2) be involved in parenting their kids.

Alternatively, how would you propose a porn site do age verification that doesn't involve every porn site having giant databases of IDs and user photos? Moreover, as the big - trying to do things right - sites have repeatedly stated, all you're doing is ensuring that the only sites minors can access are the ones that have little to no controls on content.

I get that you may feel that hardcore porn is bad for children - I think the issue here is that that's the only stuff kids can access because less hardcore stuff generally has more aggressive access controls - but the solution here is to explain what pornography is, and how it does or does not match reality, etc. Pretending it doesn't exist results in kids accessing it (because hormones and failure to monitor what your kids are doing online) and not understanding that it does not accurately reflect how real relationships or sex work. It's similar to "protecting" children from sex by pretending it doesn't exist, and making it really bad/sinful, which is super effective at enabling abusers.

Re:Porn sites are banning Texas by smallmancontrov on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @04:25PM (#39844168)
Yeah, but if you blame porn for the fertility crisis you don't have to figure out how to make housing and childcare affordable, which probably requires policy that makes assets go down. Can't have that! It is infinitely easier to blame the gays, or the trans, or tiktok, or porn.
Re:Porn sites are banning Texas by givemeethekeys on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @04:25PM (#39844170)
> Again, parents should be (1) explaining porn to their kids when they get to the age where that might matter, and (2) be involved in parenting their kids.

Speaking strictly on behalf of my friends and I from junior high, it's pretty self explanatory.

Re:Porn sites are banning Texas by jmprspret on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @05:58PM (#39845105)
Saying this really shows your naïveté to be honest. I mean that with no offence intended.

It really isn't all self explanatory. And most junior high students don't understand the depth, nuance and complexity of a lot of things until they're much older. And there is a lot to talk about in the realm of pornography.

Take it from me (completely anecdotal), i started watching porn at 13 and for just under a decade since I did not stop. I was completely addicted and I didn't even realise it was happening, and what it was doing to my brain. I didn't realise it was affecting my perception of women, of sex, expectations, I didn't realise id spend hours and hours watching it every day, I didn't realise it was essentially rotting my brain. Not to mention that the whole industry is scummy, and the actors are not treated well for the most part.

Now I am clean. And it was actually difficult to stop - another conformation it was addictive. But often I am STILL presented by imagery of the stuff I watched. This imagery in my brain is largely not under my control. It is disturbing that I cannot forget these things. And I often fear it will affect my sex life going forward.

Things you do not expect to have major consequences sometimes do.

Now, I'm not saying that you can't watch porn without being addicted, but i am saying at the time none of the downsides occurred to me until I was older.

And truth be told, if I were you, I would genuinely just steer clear of it in general. I personally don't think it's worth the risk, especially when you're so so young.

Stay safe.

Re:Porn sites are banning Texas by kelipso on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @05:02PM (#39844553)
Explaining porn and hoping it will not affect kids negatively doesn't help when there's such easy access to porn everywhere. It's like explaining drugs to kids and there are drug dealers at every corner and a society that encourages drug use. Doesn't work.
Re:Porn sites are banning Texas by Der_Einzige on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @04:11PM (#39843992)
I happen to love subversive behavior on the grounds that a certain amount subversiveness is good for society. It is the natural push and pull that keeps the ship of state gently trodding on the waves of history. I want more companies to engage in "taking their ball and going home". Good tactic - please do it more!
Re:Porn sites are banning Texas by 0xcde4c3db on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @04:53PM (#39844463)
They might also be weighing the risk that some governments aren't actually operating in good faith, and this is just the first phase of running the same playbook against porn vendors that has been run against abortion providers, i.e. a quagmire of messy, ever-changing, and contradictory "safety" regulations that eventually makes compliance impossible [1].

[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20140825061919/http://www.dayton...

Re:Porn sites are banning Texas by ricktdotorg on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @05:30PM (#39844819)
> Are unable to cheaply and efficiently roll out the infrastructure to verify, and do these digital checks

this simply-phrased benign-sounding statement belies how terrifying it is to be the responsible party for doing digital checks at scale in production on _extremely_ PII like driver's licenses.

Re:Porn sites are banning Texas by ddtaylor on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @05:33PM (#39844846)
I'm very much over the age of 18 and I will not be giving out my ID or anything like that to browse content. There are some many reasons why I don't want to do it and many reasons why I think having that information at all is a bad idea.
Re:Porn sites are banning Texas by commandlinefan on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @05:38PM (#39844907)
Defense Attorney: I would like to present my client’s Internet search history from that evening.

Defendant: I’d rather just confess to the murder.

Re:Porn sites are banning Texas by zachmu on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @05:44PM (#39844971)
They probably just don't want the nightmare of legal liability complying with the legislation would entail. They have decided jettisoning all revenue from Texas is the better option, which must hurt.