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Re:Federation is the future of social media, says Bluesky CE... by s4mw1se on Monday March 25, 2024 @08:46PM (#39823062)
Maybe working in secuirty has screwed my vision because this stuff bounces around in my head all day.

I think social media as we know it today is already at the end of the road. Our data has been obtained to make generative AI products and now we are entering a new phase of the internet. The social media we have has already been poisoned by assholes trying to make everyone addicted for money, or victims of non-kinetic warfare.

There is going to be way to many self-managing sock puppets all with an agenda. Automated psyops agents left to their devices, all talking to each other and you.

That’s not to say there won’t be sociable media, it’s just that regardless of how federated anything is we are all still going to constantly be in contact with AI.

the next big social media platform will be the one that can guarantee the most authentic human connections.

Until we get to that point, we will have what we have not and watch it get worse as smaller federated instances pop up that become selective or invite only.

Not much different then private hidden services

Re:Federation is the future of social media, says Bluesky CE... by em-bee on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @05:27PM (#39833067)
isn't it possible to avoid all the problems by simply using these tools in a certain way?

i am on whatsapp, wechat, telegram, matrix, signal, sms, irc, email, even discord...

on each of these services i am mostly in contact with real humans that i met in person.

i am in a few groups mostly made out of these same people, but also some groups where i never met anyone. i am not on facebook, mastodon or ex-twitter or any service that tries to feed me with stuff instead of just giving me a timeline of all messages shared. even on youtube i follow the channels of my choice and mostly ignore recommendations except to discover other interesting channels.

i don't see any of that going away. therefore i don't see anything changing for me

Re:Federation is the future of social media, says Bluesky CE... by zizee on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @05:51PM (#39833269)
It would be useful to categorise "social media" into "publish to strangers" vs "interact with individuals in private". Apparently these are both social media, but they are very different use-cases.

Most of the apps you mentioned are focussed on that second category, whereas (I believe) the GP was talking about the first category.

Re:Federation is the future of social media, says Bluesky CE... by em-bee on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @06:18PM (#39833484)
well, at least whatsapp, wechat, youtube and even telegram are trying to get into the first category. i ignore the respective features. in my case i eventually realized that i would waste to much time if i would try to follow all the posts pushed there, and it would also take to much effort to curate that content, so i decided to completely ignore it instead. but i am old, and my life experience helps me to stick to this. for young people this must be harder.

i agree that this distinction is important, but i am afraid it is a lost battle, and as we criticize the negative effects of the first category of social media we need to also point out how social media can be useful when it is in the second category.

Re:Federation is the future of social media, says Bluesky CE... by autonomousErwin on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @05:33PM (#39833125)
I actually think this could be an incorrect assumption we're making that humans want authentic human connections on social media. Most humans on social media are not their authentic selves and want to project an image of who they think people want to engage with.
Re:Federation is the future of social media, says Bluesky CE... by JohnFen on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @05:43PM (#39833204)
> the next big social media platform will be the one that can guarantee the most authentic human connections.

Which is a thing that I don't think is feasible. I could be wrong, of course. But I do agree that authenticity is going to be the issue that social platforms will live or die on.

I think the next evolution of "social media" is more likely to be a return to the old-fashioned notion of interacting with people in person.

Re:Federation is the future of social media, says Bluesky CE... by em-bee on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @06:44PM (#39833686)
how about only following people that you met in person? i mean it doesn't even make sense to me to follow someone i don't know unless they actually produce interesting content. such as say viheart or nileblue or even mr beast if you must. is it possible that any of these could decide to sell out and start producing content using AI? sure. but will they be able to fool everyone?

the problem is a lack of ability to recognize worthwhile content, a lack of critical consumption. there is also be a problem to find good content among the mass of junk. but that's already a problem now. i have mostly given up. i find new content mostly through HN.

the problem will be that a lot of good content will remain undiscovered.

so let me make this claim in response: the next big social media platform will be the one that will make it easy to discover actually good content as opposed to popular content.

Re:Federation is the future of social media, says Bluesky CE... by layer8 on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @05:56PM (#39833323)
Social media was always just a fraction of the population. Most non-tech people I know in real life don’t significantly engage with it.
Re:Federation is the future of social media, says Bluesky CE... by nvy on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @11:41PM (#39835499)
Every single one of my computer illiterate aunts, uncles, and grandparents has a Facebook account.
Re:Federation is the future of social media, says Bluesky CE... by JohnFen on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @10:21AM (#39839529)
Almost none of my tech-savvy friends use social media, while almost all of my non-tech-savvy friends do.

But none of our personal experiences is a great indicator of what "most people" do.

Re:Federation is the future of social media, says Bluesky CE... by xotesos on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @09:37PM (#39846840)
Just an absurd statement. We have good statistics on this.

84% of people aged 18 to 29 use at least one social media site.

Re:Federation is the future of social media, says Bluesky CE... by NetOpWibby on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @06:11PM (#39833441)
One method to "guarantee" authenticity is to charge for usage. It could even be a low cost, like $1/month or $10/year. That'd be enough to deter the absolute worst kind of people.
Re:Federation is the future of social media, says Bluesky CE... by mminer237 on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @05:59PM (#39833340)
The only way it's feasible is really requiring an ID or credit card to sign up. Technically, it's pretty doable, but I doubt the users would be willing to go that far for authenticity.
Re:Federation is the future of social media, says Bluesky CE... by JohnFen on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @04:01PM (#39843877)
> I doubt the users would be willing to go that far for authenticity.

That's what I mean by it not being feasible. Technically, there are many, many ways to make this happen, but they all come with very serious problems that I don't think most people would accept.

On the other hand, people accept things now that just a short time ago were considered outrageous and unacceptable by the majority of people (in the US, anyway). I maintain hope that this descent will stop at some point, and that hope is likely coloring my expectations.

Re:Federation is the future of social media, says Bluesky CE... by avrionov on Tuesday March 26, 2024 @05:53PM (#39833293)
The current generation of generative AI models is quire far from perfect. They'll need more and more data. For bigger models, for models which are targeting specific areas, etc.

But is possible that social media as source is already poisoned by Gen AI postings.