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Re:Why are bidets just now getting popular in America? by h2odragon on Sunday March 24, 2024 @02:25PM (#39809104)
i think most toilets here are plumbed without a hot water line nearby, and "tankless heaters" have been expensive. Especially the kinda small bespoke and super reliable kinda thing this application would demand.

there's a popular meme from someone who failed to realize that the wouldn't have hot water during a power outage; and the bidet specifically would be cold. "religious experience"

Re:Why are bidets just now getting popular in America? by buildsjets on Sunday March 24, 2024 @03:22PM (#39809542)
Bidet seats do not need a hot water line, but they do need a GFCI protected electrical outlet within 3' or so.

They have self contained water heaters, seat heaters, drying air heaters, and ozone based deodorizers. They pre-mist the bowl sides when your first sit down to help keep the bowl clean. It's a pretty magnificent device. It's 25% of the way through the 21'st century, and I may not have a flying car just yet, but at least I have a robot to care for my tushy.

Prior to installing bidet seats throughout the house, we had handheld bidets that were attached to the cold water line. It's really never immanentized a "religious experience" so far as I have noted, and while the heated one is certainly more pleasant, a cold water bidet seems to function pretty well for hundreds of millions of people around the world.

Re:Why are bidets just now getting popular in America? by opan on Sunday March 24, 2024 @03:46PM (#39809799)
The cheap ($50 or so IIRC) bidet I have gets cold water from the toilet and hot water from the sink. No power hook-up. Has none of that other fancy stuff you mentioned.

Not exactly sure what you mean by "bidet seat" vs "handheld bidet" based on context, but mine goes under a regular seat (seat isn't replaced) with controls jutting out the side. I have also used what I'd call a handheld bidet during an extended water outage. It was a squeezy rubbery thing from Amazon, a bit like a cycling water bottle, and I'd fill it up with water from a jug or sink depending on where I was (was not "attached to the cold water line"), then it squirts out water from an angled plastic tip. I found I had to be a lot more efficient with that to get the job done on one fill, but it was certainly better than nothing.

Thinking on it more, maybe your handheld was like a pressure washer, totally separate from the toilet, and what I had in mind would be called "portable".

Re:Why are bidets just now getting popular in America? by hallway_monitor on Sunday March 24, 2024 @03:30PM (#39809631)
Have you met Americans? We are addicted to comfort. You will certainly get cleaner using a bidet but a jet a cold water spraying your rear end seems like it would be quite uncomfortable. Caveat, like most Americans I have not tried it.
Re:Why are bidets just now getting popular in America? by buildsjets on Sunday March 24, 2024 @03:51PM (#39809853)
It's really not that uncomfortable at all. Buy one on Amazon and try it, they're 20 bucks and take 5 minutes to install with no tools. That's less than one package of Costco toilet paper these days.

So far as I know, I've been an American for the ~50 decades I've been on this planet, and I'd say ~85% of the people I interact with on a day to day basis were born in America. I've observed that it is a common American trait to form strongly held views about things where one has no experience, and to defend those views fiercely. The Dude said it best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j95kNwZw8YY

Re:Why are bidets just now getting popular in America? by srvmshr on Sunday March 24, 2024 @03:21PM (#39809537)
Japanese bath areas are 99% of the time separate from toilets. And the Toto models don't require a hot water line. Yet its pretty common to have heated jet functions. These models allow these features. Its more to do with economics of widespread availability.

The ones I have used in the last few years all have a small instant warmer unit. Japanese homes don't always have access to hot water tank & even the shower space is serviced by a electronically activated gas heater.

Source: I live here in JP, and my parent company's main revenue stream is from gas heaters OEM, heating appliances and even bespoke plumbing & installations.

Re:Why are bidets just now getting popular in America? by jasondclinton on Sunday March 24, 2024 @03:23PM (#39809558)
None of the "washlet" toilet attachments need a hot water line. They have built-in heaters and heat the water coming in from the cold water line.

Whole-house battery backup is a modern marvel, too. (We have 80KWH of stored battery capacity and it shifts grid load to non-peak hours to save huge amounts of money.)

Re:Why are bidets just now getting popular in America? by gertop on Sunday March 24, 2024 @02:43PM (#39809231)
What you say about plumbing is likely true for public bathrooms but it doesn't explain why home bidets aren't really a thing either. In a home it's unusual to NOT have hot water near a toilet (be it for a sink or shower).
Re:Why are bidets just now getting popular in America? by Jtsummers on Sunday March 24, 2024 @03:13PM (#39809459)
Hot water without a nearby tank can come out cold for several seconds. It’s not instant in most US homes unless the plumbing is near the tank. In my house (small footprint) one bathroom would have fast warm/hot water to a bidet. The rest would take 20-30 seconds like the sink and baths (for the full bath bathrooms).
Re:Why are bidets just now getting popular in America? by freedomben on Sunday March 24, 2024 @03:34PM (#39809679)
Indeed, most places I've lived in the US had a 20 to 30 second delay until the water came out hot. I once installed a small under-the-sink electric water heater for a bathroom that took over a minute to heat up (and never really got hot) and I've never talked with anyone else with something similar, so I don't think it's common.
Re:Why are bidets just now getting popular in America? by fallinghawks on Sunday March 24, 2024 @03:33PM (#39809666)
A hot water tap, yes, everyone's got one. Actual hot water coming out of it immediately, less likely. My bathroom faucet takes a good 25 seconds to get to maximum hot, mostly from distance (WH is in the garage) and partly from being a low flow faucet. A bidet has a very small flow rate, so for my situation, a self-heated reservoir is the only way to get immediate warm water.
Re:Why are bidets just now getting popular in America? by tzs on Sunday March 24, 2024 @05:11PM (#39810558)
A hot water recirculation system might be a possibility.
Re:Why are bidets just now getting popular in America? by fallinghawks on Sunday March 24, 2024 @09:28PM (#39812125)
There are also mini hot water heaters that fit in an under-sink cabinet.
Re:Why are bidets just now getting popular in America? by sp332 on Sunday March 24, 2024 @03:29PM (#39809625)
From the article: "The most popular type of bidet in the US, Lin said, is a non-electric attachment that only sprays cold water".
Re:Why are bidets just now getting popular in America? by sschueller on Sunday March 24, 2024 @03:20PM (#39809516)
Modern wash toilets only additionaly need electricity.

Here is an instalation video for a geberit aquaclean: https://youtu.be/1GU7SBIJc6A

Re:Why are bidets just now getting popular in America? by ToucanLoucan on Sunday March 24, 2024 @03:21PM (#39809529)
I'm sure a warm bidet would be more pleasant, but as an American with a bolt-on solution that simply pipes water in from the tank-fill line, a cold one is completely fine. Does the job a-okay and maybe I'd feel differently if I grew up in a first-world country with a heated one being the norm, but I dunno. I still miss it like hell when on business trips.
Re:Why are bidets just now getting popular in America? by 0cf8612b2e1e on Sunday March 24, 2024 @03:31PM (#39809643)
However, my friend in Chicago has said that solution can be significantly more brisk in Winter when the water lines are several degrees cooler than Summer.
Re:Why are bidets just now getting popular in America? by ToucanLoucan on Sunday March 24, 2024 @03:57PM (#39809909)
I mean, I'm in Wisconsin. If your water lines are that cold I think there's something wrong with your house, friend.
Re:Why are bidets just now getting popular in America? by spondylosaurus on Sunday March 24, 2024 @03:24PM (#39809576)
The cold water can be downright pleasant on hot days... or after a workout...
Re:Why are bidets just now getting popular in America? by eloisant on Sunday March 24, 2024 @03:20PM (#39809511)
You don't need hot water because the biden will heat the water, however you need a power plug. That's the biggest issue I think.

Or you can use a bidet with cold water, but good luck using that in winter when the water comes out at 10C.

Re:Why are bidets just now getting popular in America? by stevebmark on Sunday March 24, 2024 @03:17PM (#39809488)
No need for hot water, cold water bidets are fine and common.

It's legitimately disgusting that bidets aren't common America. Such unsanity bathroom practices.