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Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by ApolIllo on Thursday March 21, 2024 @12:35PM (#39780856)
> Who cares about smartwatches

219.43 million people use smartwatches

Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by 0xffff2 on Thursday March 21, 2024 @12:58PM (#39781236)
I assume that's worldwide? That definitely seems niche to me compared to the global population.
Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by skeaker on Thursday March 21, 2024 @01:30PM (#39781710)
How large does a business need to be on a global scale before we can smack down bad actors for abusing it? If you are a street corner business and your competitors down the street sell things at a loss just until they can put you out of business, should that be allowed because you were only a local business and didn't have millions of customers?
Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by 1shooner on Thursday March 21, 2024 @01:28PM (#39781691)
I don't think global population is a factor in antitrust law.
Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by 0xffff2 on Thursday March 21, 2024 @02:04PM (#39782161)
It's a factor in whether "219.43 million people" is a lot of people. If that's 219 million people in the US (i.e. well over half the population), that's obviously massively more significant than 219 million people worldwide.
Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by PeterisP on Thursday March 21, 2024 @02:53PM (#39782829)
But for the question of anti-trust action it doesn't matter whether it's "a lot" of people, it matters whether it's an insignificant number of people - if there were 10 smartwatch users in the US, the argument "who cares about smartwatch users" could be valid, but it makes no difference whether there's 219 million people in the US or 219 thousand people in US, since even 219 thousand users is definitely much, much more than sufficient to justify intervention.
Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by Draiken on Thursday March 21, 2024 @01:14PM (#39781459)
Regardless of the size, it does that make it okay to hamper competition like they do.

If this was such an insignificant niche, Apple Watch wouldn't even exist, would it?

Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by 1shooner on Thursday March 21, 2024 @05:56PM (#39784879)
I don't really know about sourcing market data, but this[0] page cites Deloitte and Pew:

>The global smartwatch adoption rate has reached an impressive 21.7% of the adult population

...

>The adoption rate of smartwatches is expected to continue growing, with industry projections suggesting that it will surpass 25% of the adult population shortly.

I don't believe a fifth or a quarter of the adult population could rationally be called 'niche'.

0. https://scoop.market.us/smartwatch-statistics/

Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by shuckles on Thursday March 21, 2024 @01:07PM (#39781343)
This is irrelevant. The primary argument people have against Apple is their platform indirectly impacts how other businesses can operate generally. The smartwatch never took off as a platform, so it exercises no such influence.
Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by badrequest on Thursday March 21, 2024 @01:21PM (#39781564)
> The smartwatch never took off as a platform

And you think Apple had no role to play in this by making most of them useless on their devices?

Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by shuckles on Thursday March 21, 2024 @01:37PM (#39781794)
There is no reason to believe lack of background activity support on iPhone is the reason smartwatches haven’t taken off as a computing platform.
Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by harkinian on Thursday March 21, 2024 @01:38PM (#39781817)
They're useless period
Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by mattl on Thursday March 21, 2024 @02:27PM (#39782473)
I use mine all day, every day... fantastic device.

Have you used one? Which one?

Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by harkinian on Thursday March 21, 2024 @06:08PM (#39785009)
I've never used one, because they have no use.
Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by mattl on Thursday March 21, 2024 @06:25PM (#39785185)
Have you used a fitness tracker of any kind?
Re:U.S. sues Apple, accusing it of maintaining an iPhone mon... by harkinian on Thursday March 21, 2024 @07:31PM (#39785692)
No