Parrots love playing tablet games. That's helping researchers understand them

Re:Parrots love playing tablet games. That's helping researc... by pineaux on Thursday March 21, 2024 @03:53AM (#39775819)

Its not a strong argument. Denying nature is what we do constantly. We teach our children to shit in a bowl that flushes water instead of shitting on the ground, we teach them to delay their gratification s, we tell them not to use violence, we teach them to ask for consent. All unnatural things to do. Are you saying these are not wise things to do?

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Re:Parrots love playing tablet games. That's helping researc... by brabel on Thursday March 21, 2024 @04:00AM (#39775854)

You misunderstand what "natural" means. Nature doesn't care at all about those things. But as a social species, we evolved some "rules" which ensure our survival. In that sense, some of our morality has roots in nature and evolution.

So I don't agree at all that by not using violence all the time we're going against our nature.

But in the case of food, I believe we are, because evidently we require certain substances to survive, and one of the best ways to get those is to eat meat. In most regions where humans live today, without meat or foods imported from faraway regions, we couldn't survive.

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Re:Parrots love playing tablet games. That's helping researc... by bawolff on Thursday March 21, 2024 @12:02PM (#39780348)

> But in the case of food, I believe we are, because evidently we require certain substances to survive, and one of the best ways to get those is to eat meat.

If it was the only way this would be more compelling. However it is just the easiest way.

Like arguably the best way to get money is to mug someone, but i don't think that makes it ethical when there are alternatives.

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Re:Parrots love playing tablet games. That's helping researc... by defrost on Thursday March 21, 2024 @04:00AM (#39775853)

* We teach our children to shit in a bowl that flushes water

Okay, you're from a westen country and part of a minority of human population,

* we tell them not to use violence

and someone that never boxed or practiced a martial art,

* we teach them to ask for consent.

and not an American invading another country.

Canadian?

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Re:Parrots love playing tablet games. That's helping researc... by viraptor on Thursday March 21, 2024 @07:31AM (#39777241)

Nature is adaptation for survival. I think you're mixing up "the old ways" with "naturally beneficial ways". Your chances of survival and reproduction are much higher with access to modern toilets, delayed gratification, no unnecessary violence, and due to society asking for consent. It's perfectly natural.

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Re:Parrots love playing tablet games. That's helping researc... by card_zero on Thursday March 21, 2024 @09:32AM (#39778309)

So "natural" includes anything artificial, so long as it's adaptive. This is a peculiar definition of the word.

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Re:Parrots love playing tablet games. That's helping researc... by viraptor on Thursday March 21, 2024 @04:36PM (#39784064)

"artificial" itself needs expanding on to use in this discussion. Are tools artificial? Where's the threshold? Stick, hammer, wrench, electric drill? Or is it only natural if we're naked collecting fruit?

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