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Re:Tick-killing pill shows promising results in human trial by Workaccount2 on Monday March 18, 2024 @10:04AM (#39744715)
It's called permethrin.

Kills ticks but also kills cats, so be careful. I have heard that once it is dry, it isn't a threat to your little furry friend, but I still won't risk it.

Re:Tick-killing pill shows promising results in human trial by nucleardog on Monday March 18, 2024 @12:22PM (#39746494)
I use permethrin around my yard as well as have some clothing I’ve treated myself. I also use flea and tick treatment on my two dogs which is primarily permethrin.

I have two cats and we haven’t had any issues that I could see.

I make 100% sure they can never be exposed to it when it’s wet, but they’ve been around me in treated clothing, escaped the house and walked through treated (dry) grass, been around dogs that have been treated with it, etc.

Given the number of people that have cats and dogs living together who are treating their dogs with it monthly, it seems relatively safe if used properly and cautiously.

Re:Tick-killing pill shows promising results in human trial by diggan on Monday March 18, 2024 @10:41AM (#39745220)
> It's called permethrin.

Seems there are a couple of chemicals that act as anti-tick. We're using Seresto collars for our two dogs (no ticks in a decade of usage), which seems to be using Imidacloprid (anti-fleas) and Flumethrin (anti-ticks).

So at least there seems to be two ingredients, there are probably more.

Re:Tick-killing pill shows promising results in human trial by Scoundreller on Monday March 18, 2024 @11:43AM (#39746066)
I always wonder if we could have some human collar that absorbs & oozes out insecticide and keeps mosquitoes and blackflies away.

But nice to see we’re finally getting for humans what pets have had for a while for ticks.

Re:Tick-killing pill shows promising results in human trial by doodlebugging on Monday March 18, 2024 @12:39PM (#39746715)
A long time ago when I worked on a seismic crew we found ourselves cutting lines through the brush in a river bottom. Millions of ticks would swarm up your pant legs in a red-brown cloud looking for any opening to your skin. It was not unusual to see someone strip down in the field and burn the ticks off of their clothes. I carried a large knife and used the blade to peel them off my pants by the hundreds. It was crazy how thick they were. They seemed to be hanging on every pecan leaf and on the grass under the trees.

We began treating our boots with diesel to try to repel them. That worked to a point. It didn't take long to reveal the shortcoming in that method - diesel fuel soaks through the leather and easily enters the skin. It ruins the boot leather and burns your skin so that wearing anything on your feet is very painful so we abandoned that method.

After looking at options we decided to use cattle ear tags because each cow only uses one and it keeps them tick-free. After reading all the warnings about safe handling - wear gloves, avoid skin contact, potential reproductive harm, cancer risk, etc. - we decided that it made no difference. We realized that this had to be absorbed through the cow's bloodstream from the puncture on the ear and since every cow we had ever seen had an ear tag, this meant that this chemical was present in every steak or burger we had ever eaten so wearing one long enough to complete the part of the survey with the tick problem wasn't going to increase our risk of any adverse effects.

We bought a pack of tags and each hung one on a boot and never had another tick.

I don't have any known health issues to report here 40 years later. Totally anecdotal information from what is likely to have been a low-dose, short duration exposure event.

Re:Tick-killing pill shows promising results in human trial by Varriount on Monday March 18, 2024 @11:04PM (#39752548)
Well, there's a difference between something entering your body through your digestive tract, and something entering your body directly through the bloodstream. Additionally, different substances have different bioaccumulation characteristics - some substances may accumulate in only in specific tissues (fat, muscle, etc.), a combination of tissues, or none. How an insecticide bioaccumulates in cattle would affect their suitability for beef.
Re:Tick-killing pill shows promising results in human trial by DowagerDave on Monday March 18, 2024 @11:58AM (#39746244)
You don't usually get bitten by mosquitoes on your neck though, how would this help with the bites you DO get all over your legs and arms? Or are you suggesting something so potent it absorbs into your bloodstream and then prevents bug bites? no thanks.
Re:Tick-killing pill shows promising results in human trial by diggan on Monday March 18, 2024 @12:14PM (#39746401)
> how would this help with the bites you DO get all over your legs and arms?

Not sure how true it is, but the marketing for the collars we use claims that eventually the chemicals spreads to protect the full body, even if the collar is just around the neck.

Re:Tick-killing pill shows promising results in human trial by Scoundreller on Monday March 18, 2024 @12:03PM (#39746293)
> Or are you suggesting something so potent it absorbs into your bloodstream and then prevents bug bites

That’s what the medicated pet collars do.

Part of the advantage of collar-absorption is that you can use a molecule that readily breaks down/inactivates in digestion. And avoid sharp peaks in blood levels.

Re:Tick-killing pill shows promising results in human trial by Turing_Machine on Monday March 18, 2024 @12:13PM (#39746396)
I knew a woman who was highly amused that the cancer drug she was on caused mosquitoes to die instantaneously upon biting her.

Tough woman. She is missed.

Re:Tick-killing pill shows promising results in human trial by dylan604 on Monday March 18, 2024 @01:12PM (#39747071)
> You don't usually get bitten by mosquitoes on your neck though,

and how do you manage this?

Re:Tick-killing pill shows promising results in human trial by LinuxBender on Monday March 18, 2024 @11:55AM (#39746205)
Kills ticks but also kills cats

AFAIK there has only been one documented case of it killing a kitten and it drank the liquid form, unknown quantity. Baby animals do not yet have fully formed livers to metabolize the sodium channel blocker. Insects on the other hand do not have a liver. They use body fat to detoxify but it isn't fast enough or volumetric enough to handle the sodium channel blocker in large amounts relative to their size.

Re:Tick-killing pill shows promising results in human trial by melvyn2 on Monday March 18, 2024 @12:31PM (#39746616)
Here's a case study of 42: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1016/j.jfms.2009.09.018 And there's certainly many more cases than just those at a "referral hospital in Sydney, Australia."
Re:Tick-killing pill shows promising results in human trial by joecool1029 on Monday March 18, 2024 @12:52PM (#39746859)
People put dog tick/flea stuff on cats all the time by accident containing it (I've personally seen it twice now), it usually doesn't kill them but it's absolutely horrible to witness, cats will get seizures and treatment is only supportive, either they live or they don't. Both the cases I saw were brought to the vet and the cats were messed up pretty bad for a few days.
Re:Tick-killing pill shows promising results in human trial by LinuxBender on Monday March 18, 2024 @02:15PM (#39747915)
I could imagine if a cat was being covered in it often enough and they lick it up their glutathione may be depleted then their liver won't keep up. I will have to dig into the stats iskander provided to see pre-existing condition the cats were at. i.e. elderly, kittens, sickly Skimming over it I am not seeing stats on age or liver health.
Re:Tick-killing pill shows promising results in human trial by iskander on Monday March 18, 2024 @02:03PM (#39747762)
#1 on ASPCA's list of common toxicoses in cats: https://www.aspcapro.org/sites/default/files/zl-vetm0606_339...

Study of 286 cat/permethrin cases in London: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1016/j.jfms.2007.05...

Study of 750 cases in Australia: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1016/j.jfms.2009.12...

...we don't track this stuff nearly as well for pets as we do for humans but seems to have pretty robust evidence of toxicity.

Re:Tick-killing pill shows promising results in human trial by LinuxBender on Monday March 18, 2024 @02:08PM (#39747836)
Thankyou for that. I had not found the Sage journal when I was looking for this in the past.
Re:Tick-killing pill shows promising results in human trial by afandian on Monday March 18, 2024 @10:22AM (#39744969)
Re:Tick-killing pill shows promising results in human trial by gryzzly on Monday March 18, 2024 @05:44PM (#39750426)
In Germany there is a spray based on eucalyptus oil and it works very well. it is marketed as “sensitive”. we have a dog that licks stuff and wanted to avoid the use of the acaricides
Re:Tick-killing pill shows promising results in human trial by kamarg on Monday March 18, 2024 @10:27AM (#39745041)
It's also highly toxic to aquatic animals as well and does come off a bit when put in the wash.
Re:Tick-killing pill shows promising results in human trial by delfinom on Monday March 18, 2024 @11:06AM (#39745578)
The problem is ticks are also slowly becoming immune to it.
Re:Tick-killing pill shows promising results in human trial by Tiktaalik on Monday March 18, 2024 @03:07PM (#39748577)
Yeah it's a serious enough chemical that I think it's only legally usable in Canada by the military.
Re:Tick-killing pill shows promising results in human trial by CatWChainsaw on Monday March 18, 2024 @08:01PM (#39751523)
I find this surprising, are you sure it's not based on the concentration of the permethrin? Here in the US, I was able to buy a clothing spray of 0.5% permethrin from Home Depot. I'm also reasonably certain that at least some lice shampoos I've seen at my nearby CVS use permethrin, although I checked the one I bought and it doesn't have it.
Re:Tick-killing pill shows promising results in human trial by bethekind on Monday March 18, 2024 @09:19PM (#39752042)
Can confirm above comment. Only thing close we can buy is permethrin impregnated clothes for mosquitoes. No permethrin anything otherwise. I have some, but only because I had my sister ship it from the states. Blows my mind that you can buy up to 36% permethrin by the jug down there
Re:Tick-killing pill shows promising results in human trial by ChoGGi on Tuesday March 19, 2024 @09:25AM (#39755495)
You can get a weak version on Amazon (0.35)

https://www.amazon.ca/OnGuard-Pro-Perm-Residual-Non-Flammabl...

Re:Tick-killing pill shows promising results in human trial by CatWChainsaw on Tuesday March 19, 2024 @05:33PM (#39760471)
That's so bizarre. Both that you aren't allowed to buy it at any % concentration (not in clothes), and that my Random Ass could buy it at up to 36%.