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Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 might break Java on your machine by anal_reactor on Monday March 18, 2024 @06:55AM (#39742375)
Mac OS UX is just bad. I've been using it daily for a few years already, but I still struggle to perform basic tasks. And by "basic" I mean "How do I move a file?" or "How do I go one folder up?". Sure, I can read about this, but this shouldn't require me to read a manual.
Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 might break Java on your machine by okamiueru on Monday March 18, 2024 @09:02AM (#39743823)
It's a special kind of stubbornness that makes it so that a file manager doesn't have support for cut and paste, in order to move files.

The answer to most "it's a bit dumb that MacOS doesn't let you / forces you to" is "install app X, Y, Z".

- Don't like that apple's "Music" app pops up when you connect a Bluetooth headset? => Install an app.

- Want to be able to "alt tab" through windows of the same program, or in general not be uselessly flawed? => Install an app

- Want to be able to move and resize windows without aiming at the exact edge pixels of the window? => Install an app.

- Want to move & resize windows to very common places and sizes on a screen? => Install an app.

- Want global hotkeys for whatever? => Install an app

- Want a software package management system a'la apt? => Install an app.

- Want to rebind keys or make things like Home/End not be dead keys... because apple keyboards don't have that, and they cannot be bothered with it. "you should be using "⌘ + →" anyways... or, I suppose it depends on the window"? => Install an app.

- etc....

You don't get any of these annoyances with Linux / Gnome. "Why not use that if you hate MacOS so much?" I pretend to hear you say. First of all, because of anti-competitive reasons by Apple, I sort of have to. Secondly... something something angry old man yells at clouds.

Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 might break Java on your machine by dawnerd on Monday March 18, 2024 @11:02AM (#39745521)
Cmd backtick? For tabbing through windows.
Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 might break Java on your machine by nihilius on Monday March 18, 2024 @10:40AM (#39745198)
Finder cut and paste is cmd+c then cmd+option+v for move. On the rest I agree.
Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 might break Java on your machine by nicwolff on Monday March 18, 2024 @11:59AM (#39746257)
Which is pretty counter-intuitive: it's "copy", then "paste but delete the original"? Much more natural to remember ⌘-c, ⌘-delete, change folders and ⌘-v.
Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 might break Java on your machine by kjkjadksj on Monday March 18, 2024 @12:30PM (#39746611)
You can also drag and drop and toggle between moving and copying by holding a key
Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 might break Java on your machine by hollandheese on Monday March 18, 2024 @01:18PM (#39747129)
>Don't like that apple's "Music" app pops up when you connect a Bluetooth headset? => Install an app.

Get a better bluetooth headset that doesn't send play when it connects. That's the problem. It's the headset that's doing something wrong.

Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 might break Java on your machine by okamiueru on Monday March 18, 2024 @02:22PM (#39747984)
It's always something else doing something wrong. Everything has to conform to Apples design guidelines.

Heaven forbid the OS could let you chose what you want to happen... like launching Spotify instead, or simply nothing at all...

It's the headset doing something wrong. What a fascinating take. You wouldn't happen to be working at Apple R&D?

Maybe I missed the /s, it's just too on the nose, almost as if you're ridiculing it.

Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 might break Java on your machine by hollandheese on Tuesday March 19, 2024 @02:25PM (#39758762)
> Heaven forbid the OS could let you chose what you want to happen... like launching Spotify instead, or simply nothing at all.

Yes, the OS could do that. I'd prefer if Apple made that key configurable. But the problem isn't Apple and Bluetooh Headsets, it's that Apple made the play/pause button unconfigurable (without additional software).

>It's the headset doing something wrong. What a fascinating take. You wouldn't happen to be working at Apple R&D?

IT IS THE HEADSET DOING SOMETHING WRONG! No one asked it to send play when it connects, the manufacturer decided to do something brain dead there. It still messes with Windows and Linux machines too if you set the play/pause button to launch an app.

Do you happen to work for a bluetooth headset manufacturer? It sure sounds like you're excusing their broken behavior.

Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 might break Java on your machine by okamiueru on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @03:21AM (#39763622)
> But the problem isn't Apple and Bluetooh Headsets, it's that Apple made the play/pause button unconfigurable (without additional software).

Compare it with

> - Don't like that apple's "Music" app pops up when you connect a Bluetooth headset? => Install an app

The only difference is that you add a puzzling self contradiction of "the problem isn't Apple, but that Apple has..."

This is entirely an Apple and MacOS thing, and most certainly not an issue on Linux. Though I don't know about Windows.

Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 might break Java on your machine by cma on Monday March 18, 2024 @09:59AM (#39744639)
Not as bad as:

How to lose your work using Undo Copy in Windows

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35927413

Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 might break Java on your machine by kjkjadksj on Monday March 18, 2024 @12:29PM (#39746584)
The gui is no different than windows in this regard. If you do it on command line its just mv and cd like its been for 40 years.
Re:macOS Sonoma 14.4 might break Java on your machine by nerdix on Monday March 18, 2024 @12:56PM (#39746919)
Finder is an abomination. No app has been quite as rage inducing for me personally as Finder.

I use the command line almost exclusively for file management and avoid it like the plague.