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Re:Former telecom manager admits to doing SIM swaps for $1k by the-chitmonger on Friday March 15, 2024 @12:25PM (#39717505)
Man... on top of the obvious moral issue with enabling this hack, I'm astounded that someone would do this for $1k per person. Putting my freedom on the line would be so much more expensive than that.

On a more technical note, is there any safeguard against SIM swaps? Something like a fingerprint scan that's tied to your SIM. I'm not familiar with phone hardware at all but I'd love to hear if someone's working on this type of thing

Re:Former telecom manager admits to doing SIM swaps for $1k by toast0 on Friday March 15, 2024 @12:34PM (#39717606)
The telco is in charge of what SIM is mapped to a given number. There's not anything technical the customer can do there; access control is up to the telco.

The telco also needs a process to reclaim the number when you stop paying for it.

Often SIM swaps are done via porting the number to a different telco, and telcos are compelled to do ports in many jurisdictions.

If you're really worried about it, I guess you could look into what it takes to get a number block assigned to you as a competitive telco. That would likely be hard to get transfered out from under you, but the effort may not be worth it.

Also, if the price to get a sim swap is $1k (plus a % of ill gotten gains!), that's high enough to keep out untargetted attacks, IMHO, which isn't a terrible place to be.

Re:Former telecom manager admits to doing SIM swaps for $1k by the-chitmonger on Friday March 15, 2024 @01:11PM (#39718101)
Very informative - thanks for the explanation! I also forget that these attacks are usually very targeted (I guess I just imagine criminals swimming in money despite the old adage). I'll just have to do my best to be an unremarkable person.
Re:Former telecom manager admits to doing SIM swaps for $1k by cqqxo4zV46cp on Saturday March 16, 2024 @06:39AM (#39724726)
I’m sure you’re doing this without trying, much like the vast majority of others.
Re:Former telecom manager admits to doing SIM swaps for $1k by pyuser583 on Friday March 15, 2024 @12:57PM (#39717890)
This is why we have DNS {shudder in disgust}.
Re:Former telecom manager admits to doing SIM swaps for $1k by durazabu on Friday March 15, 2024 @01:00PM (#39717940)
Biometrics like fingerprint scans can only be used as a username, not a password. Reusing passwords is a bad practice and having 200 different biometrics for 200 different services is not realistic. As soon as your fingerprint that you registered on your lost phone is leaked you will be in a world of trouble if you use it for other services. (Also biometrics can change with time)
Re:Former telecom manager admits to doing SIM swaps for $1k by the-chitmonger on Friday March 15, 2024 @01:09PM (#39718060)
That makes sense - maybe something closer to a passphrase-protected SIM could work?
Re:Former telecom manager admits to doing SIM swaps for $1k by toomuchtodo on Friday March 15, 2024 @01:36PM (#39718409)
Passkeys.
Re:Former telecom manager admits to doing SIM swaps for $1k by wutwutwat on Friday March 15, 2024 @04:28PM (#39720367)
Biometrics are never a good idea in general.

You can be court ordered/forced to put your thumb on the home button.

You can’t be forced to remember a password you “forgot” ;)

Re:Former telecom manager admits to doing SIM swaps for $1k by peddling-brink on Saturday March 16, 2024 @03:00PM (#39728502)
You can be jailed until you remember.
Re:Former telecom manager admits to doing SIM swaps for $1k by wutwutwat on Sunday March 17, 2024 @07:05PM (#39738870)
You’re missing the point. Even doing that, they still don’t have access.
Re:Former telecom manager admits to doing SIM swaps for $1k by arusahni on Friday March 15, 2024 @01:09PM (#39718056)
> For carrying the unauthorized number porting, Katz received $1,000 in Bitcoin per SIM swap (total of $5,000), plus an (unspecified) percentage of the profits earned from the illicit access to the victims' devices.

So, a little more than $1k pp

Re:Former telecom manager admits to doing SIM swaps for $1k by the-chitmonger on Friday March 15, 2024 @02:07PM (#39718810)
Fair point, I guess shame(?) on him for not being smarter with the proceeds
Re:Former telecom manager admits to doing SIM swaps for $1k by cjrp on Friday March 15, 2024 @01:01PM (#39717951)
> On a more technical note, is there any safeguard against SIM swaps?

The only solution is to refuse to use SMS for 2FA. If a service requires it, use a different service.

Re:Former telecom manager admits to doing SIM swaps for $1k by ryandrake on Friday March 15, 2024 @01:39PM (#39718459)
This works if you know about SIM swapping on day one of your life on the Internet, and refuse from day one. I probably have hundreds of Internet accounts, and no straightforward way to know which ones use SMS for 2-factor without trying to log in to them all. Further, many don’t use SMS for login but they do use it for password resets. So my only hope, if I want to clean house, is to sit down and try resetting my password on 400+ accounts one by one.
Re:Former telecom manager admits to doing SIM swaps for $1k by MichaelZuo on Friday March 15, 2024 @08:21PM (#39722089)
That still sounds like much less pain and effort then if the worst case scenario happens?
Re:Former telecom manager admits to doing SIM swaps for $1k by codedokode on Friday March 15, 2024 @02:37PM (#39719163)
> is there any safeguard against SIM swaps

There is. Some Russian banks detect when SIM identifier has changed and refuse to send SMS codes to a new SIM card.

Re:Former telecom manager admits to doing SIM swaps for $1k by peddling-brink on Saturday March 16, 2024 @03:02PM (#39728518)
I just ported my number to a new carrier and had to re setup sms on two separate American banks.
Re:Former telecom manager admits to doing SIM swaps for $1k by justinclift on Friday March 15, 2024 @01:41PM (#39718477)
> ... I'm astounded that someone would do this for $1k per person.

It's entirely possible some of the brighter ones have gotten their co-workers username/password combinations, and are using those when doing dodgy stuff.

Re:Former telecom manager admits to doing SIM swaps for $1k by salawat on Friday March 15, 2024 @12:34PM (#39717599)
So you want to give your biometric info to a telecom? Are you nuts? We already have enough problems getting people to understand "IP's/SIM's/MAC's identify devices, not users".

We don't need to make shit worse.

Re:Former telecom manager admits to doing SIM swaps for $1k by the-chitmonger on Friday March 15, 2024 @01:07PM (#39718031)
I'm not saying it's ideal, it was just an example of something that I thought could address the issue. I agree that we should limit PII being given to companies, but I'm conflicted on how the average Joe can maintain some semblance of security as hackers get better at finding holes. If the software can identify you based on something that only you have, then that's a tall barrier to cross for hackers that also doesn't require a steep learning curve for most.

Just to reiterate, I am personally a fan of maintaining anonymity, particularly online. I'm just concerned that our increasingly aging population won't be able to keep up with security best practices and we may need some braindead solutions to keep them safe.

Re:Former telecom manager admits to doing SIM swaps for $1k by ikekkdcjkfke on Friday March 15, 2024 @01:00PM (#39717937)
Just treat sms and call as insecure
Re:Former telecom manager admits to doing SIM swaps for $1k by lotsofpulp on Friday March 15, 2024 @01:22PM (#39718250)
ATT has account passcodes, but not sure how high up of an employee you have to be at ATT to do a SIM swap without a customer’s passcode.