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Re:John Barnett before death "if anything happens, it's not ... by lukan on Friday March 15, 2024 @05:32AM (#39713688)
I wouldn't be so sure. I dropped that point of view, after I read about the Lucona incident in europe and all the dirt behind it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucona

Which lead me to:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

"According to several Western European researchers, the operation involved the use of assassination, psychological warfare, and false flag operations to delegitimize left-wing parties in Western European countries, and even went so far as to support anti-communist militias and right-wing terrorism as they tortured communists and assassinated them"

Opened a whole box of pandora for me. So I rather think there is much more dark shit going on, than what makes the news, we just see the tip of the iceberg. And not just about the big players. Probably also common people have way more corpses in their basements, than what you would expect, if you grew up in a safe space.

Edit: about Lucona, the wiki page reads quite boring, but the book by the private detective who uncovered it, is quite informative. Casual mentioned details, like that there is a court of the organized crime in london where they settle their cases. Or that the insurance company, who initially hired him to investigate, offered him money in the end, to stop investigating, as he was uncovering up too much dirt.

Re:John Barnett before death "if anything happens, it's not ... by whimsicalism on Friday March 15, 2024 @05:35AM (#39713705)
Definitely stuff going on that does not make the news, but a lot of people also just commit suicide, swear to their friends and family they wont, and do it anyways.

But there is a world of difference between doing this as a small business owner vs. a massive publicly traded company.

Re:John Barnett before death "if anything happens, it's not ... by lukan on Friday March 15, 2024 @05:44AM (#39713744)
True, most things are also much more mundane and boring, than what people would expect. No hidden 5 layers of conspiracy are deployed everywhere.

But that now still reminds me of: "A Report on the Banality of Evil" by Hanah Arendt about Eichmann and a holocaust trial.

Re:John Barnett before death "if anything happens, it's not ... by gpderetta on Friday March 15, 2024 @06:10AM (#39713914)
Regarding Gladio, what is wild conspiracy theories anywhere else, in Italy is just a slow Tuesday.

Just to get started on the rabbit hole, and somewhat relevant for this thread:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Calvi

Re:John Barnett before death "if anything happens, it's not ... by uaserussia on Saturday March 16, 2024 @10:58AM (#39726503)
Because Italians are naturally conspirative and are well accustomed with the mafia, so things like that are just obvious to them. While Anglo-Saxons or northern Europeans are much more trusting and rather believe they're living in a system of laws where corruption doesn't happen, even when it blatantly does. They're only allowed to believe conspiracies about the current or bogeyman enemies of the establishment, like they believe that the fascist did things like that in 1930s, but would call you crazy if you believe anything like that could happen today in their own governments. Italians see some whistleblower/informant died days before his testimony, to them it would be insane to think anything other than he was murdered. They are right, meanwhile other peoples are like deer in the headlights, with no defense. That's why the mafia immediately took over cities like Chicago and New York when Italian immigrants came in.