Re:Mass Timber Is Great, but It Will Not Solve the Housing S...
by baggy_trough on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @02:37PM
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I don't want to live next to a huge building, so I selected a town where that was not allowed. So don't tell me changing this is a win win for me. It isn't.
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Re:Mass Timber Is Great, but It Will Not Solve the Housing S...
by mlsu on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @03:43PM
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It's not a win for you then. It is a win for the 100 people who can move into that apartment building.
Are you really that important?
Re:Mass Timber Is Great, but It Will Not Solve the Housing S...
by lolinder on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @05:43PM
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What about the 100 people who also owned homes within a few blocks of that apartment building and are also opposed to the change that it brings to the neighborhood? Zoning laws don't exist because of one loudmouth, they exist because solid majorities of the people who live in a given area like having them.
Re:Mass Timber Is Great, but It Will Not Solve the Housing S...
by tptacek on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @05:49PM
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In your example, your side is outnumbered by the residents of a single apartment building.
This whole thread is kind of silly, in that high-density apartments aren't what's going to get built on SFZ blocks in cities and inner-ring suburbs; 3-flats are.
Re:Mass Timber Is Great, but It Will Not Solve the Housing S...
by ihaveajob on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @02:52PM
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I suppose you didn't buy the entire town, so you can't preclude your neighbors from wanting their property to appreciate, their lives to become more social, and their environment to change.
Re:Mass Timber Is Great, but It Will Not Solve the Housing S...
by baggy_trough on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @03:02PM
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The neighbors collectively agreed to the previous zoning. Now some outside body is forcing that to change.
Re:Mass Timber Is Great, but It Will Not Solve the Housing S...
by tptacek on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @03:05PM
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Once upon a time, neighbors also collectively agreed to zone by race and ethnicity, until Buchanan v. Warley in 1917 put an end to that practice and created the minimum-lot-size SFZ proxy system we have today. You can argue persuasively for respecting SFZ, but you probably can't do it from a moral high horse (which is just to say: you can't rest your argument on a moral right).
Re:Mass Timber Is Great, but It Will Not Solve the Housing S...
by singleshot_ on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @05:14PM
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I’m not sure the implication that those of us who don’t enjoy sharing walls are immoral racists is particularly justified.
Re:Mass Timber Is Great, but It Will Not Solve the Housing S...
by tptacek on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @05:48PM
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It's a historical fact. I'm not saying you're a racist. Those zoning ordinances though definitely are.
Re:Mass Timber Is Great, but It Will Not Solve the Housing S...
by tptacek on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @02:49PM
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I'm speaking only to overall property values, because that's the argument I was replying to. I don't care about your preferences.
Re:Mass Timber Is Great, but It Will Not Solve the Housing S...
by baggy_trough on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @02:53PM
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I am responding to your first sentence, which is "Upzoning is a win-win for existing homeowners", which is not true in general.
Re:Mass Timber Is Great, but It Will Not Solve the Housing S...
by tptacek on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @02:55PM
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It is true in the sense that I meant it, about property values.
Re:Mass Timber Is Great, but It Will Not Solve the Housing S...
by lolinder on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @05:33PM
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Nor do you apparently care about the fact that "NIMBYs worry that the mere existence of nearby multifamily will decrease their home value" is a false stereotype.
A NIMBY straight-up told you that their motivations are about lifestyle and not money and your response is "I don't care about your preferences".
Re:Mass Timber Is Great, but It Will Not Solve the Housing S...
by jachee on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @02:46PM
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I’m genuinely curious: Why not? What difference does it make to you what’s next door?
Re:Mass Timber Is Great, but It Will Not Solve the Housing S...
by baggy_trough on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @02:51PM
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sound, privacy, views, for example.