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Re:United Airlines tells Boeing to stop building Max 10s and... by elromulous on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @10:25AM (#39691585)
Wouldn't this apply to today's Apple?
Re:United Airlines tells Boeing to stop building Max 10s and... by quesera on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @12:53PM (#39694003)
I don't think so.

The examples of IBM and Xerox were truly dominant in their day.

I'm not going to get into the definition of "monopoly" here. But there's a reason for the "No one ever got fired for buying IBM" quote, and there's a reason that "Xerox" is/was basically synonymous with "photocopy". No one calls an Android device an "iPhone".

Apple captures basically 100% of the market excitement and profit, but not sales or penetration. Apple is not dominant anywhere near what IBM and Xerox were.

So, for me this fails the test of ~"sales and marketing running the company and not bringing forward great new products". Apple is still delivering.

Apple is not all things to all people -- but no one is without choice. I think Apple, and Apple customers, are happy with Apple.

Re:United Airlines tells Boeing to stop building Max 10s and... by ortusdux on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @10:26AM (#39691602)
Arguably yes. I'll note that the quote was from 1995 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs:_The_Lost_Interview
Re:United Airlines tells Boeing to stop building Max 10s and... by jmondi on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @10:29AM (#39691629)
If Apple was a monopoly, sure. But Apple is not a monopoly.
Re:United Airlines tells Boeing to stop building Max 10s and... by FireBeyond on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @11:30AM (#39692546)
People so eager to defend Apple from "monopoly" that they completely ignore the point, which is equally valid when you are not a monopoly but have a extremely sturdy market penetration.
Re:United Airlines tells Boeing to stop building Max 10s and... by zeroonetwothree on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @10:26AM (#39691601)
How is Apple a monopoly?
Re:United Airlines tells Boeing to stop building Max 10s and... by smallmancontrov on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @10:50AM (#39691890)
In the "gigantic moats with minimal connection to product quality" sense. The app store and rich messaging have clear two-sided-market dynamics and they own a bunch of customer photo albums too.

Anticompetitive market structure is bad for consumers loooong before it results in an actual literal "only one company in a broadly defined niche" monopoly.

Re:United Airlines tells Boeing to stop building Max 10s and... by nativeit on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @10:35AM (#39691700)
In much the same way Boeing is—they are one of only two options.
Re:United Airlines tells Boeing to stop building Max 10s and... by kaesar14 on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @11:08AM (#39692161)
Not sure I buy that. They're one of only two options in operating system but one of many in hardware models. They're much less able to win regulatory capture being a far less regulated industry and in a consumer market.
Re:United Airlines tells Boeing to stop building Max 10s and... by Filligree on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @11:27AM (#39692474)
Pray tell, what are my options in hardware if I want a laptop with a good (Apple-level) touchpad, battery life, screen and performance?

You could argue I'm just saying they're high quality, which may be true, but the software has been degrading and I have no options if I value openness _and_ quality.

Re:United Airlines tells Boeing to stop building Max 10s and... by kaesar14 on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @11:43AM (#39692777)
How is being the only good company making laptops a monopoly? Seems like you recognized that point in your second paragraph but bears repeating how ridiculous of a comparison to Boeing that is
Re:United Airlines tells Boeing to stop building Max 10s and... by panick21_ on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @08:53PM (#39699434)
I don't give a shit about touchpads. Apple for the majority of its history didn't have superior performance and even today they have some product that are under-powered in regards to ram.

I can flip it and mention features that Apple products don't have that I like.

But this isn't actually an argument for monopoly. That just an argument that you like a company more then the other.

Re:United Airlines tells Boeing to stop building Max 10s and... by dghlsakjg on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @01:29PM (#39694535)
That's pretty much the textbook definition of an oligopoly which is explicitly not a monopoly.