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Re:The New Science on What Ultra-Processed Food Does to Your... by NoPicklez on Monday March 11, 2024 @11:22PM (#39675839)
I'd recommend people interested to listen to the Huberman lab podcast on "How Sugar & Processed Foods Impact Your Health". So in with an open mind, it's a good episode.

The podcast mentions of a food classification system in the US called the NOVA system, which classifies foods in supermarkets based on the degree to which they have been processed based on the above scale.

Re:The New Science on What Ultra-Processed Food Does to Your... by numinoid on Monday March 11, 2024 @11:38PM (#39675940)
The guest is an absolute clown and charlatan.
Re:The New Science on What Ultra-Processed Food Does to Your... by zackangelo on Monday March 11, 2024 @11:49PM (#39676013)
He's referring to Robert Lustig, in case anyone else was curious.
Re:The New Science on What Ultra-Processed Food Does to Your... by NoPicklez on Monday March 11, 2024 @11:41PM (#39675966)
He is a bit overzealous in certain ways and does dramatise some of the findings
Re:The New Science on What Ultra-Processed Food Does to Your... by sooheon on Tuesday March 12, 2024 @12:12AM (#39676131)
The host is a supplement shill as well. It’s a “discussion” between a snake oil salesman and an algorithmic megaphone.
Re:The New Science on What Ultra-Processed Food Does to Your... by squam on Tuesday March 12, 2024 @02:02AM (#39676616)
Oh, I was quite taken in by him. Do you have any specific recommendations for detailed critiques/more information? Thank you

Edit: a bit of googling turns up a number of results. E.g https://www.reddit.com/r/HubermanLab/comments/18qrjzl/lustig...

Re:The New Science on What Ultra-Processed Food Does to Your... by ArthurAardvark on Tuesday March 12, 2024 @02:49AM (#39676801)
Really? On what basis? To be honest, I've been burnt out when it comes to supplements and health max/min type things, so I never dove deep into the Hubermann World.

With that being said, I know he's a (purportedly) prolific Stanford researcher of all healthy living things...nutrition, sleep, supplements and so on. He knows what he is talking about from what I have listened to.

We live in a society...blah blah, make a dollar blah blah. I highly doubt he's going out of his way to get people on things they shouldn't be on or claiming a supp. is something it is not.

But if he is blatantly endorsing garbage/pushing bullocks claims, that'd be beyond highly unethical and astonishing.

Re:The New Science on What Ultra-Processed Food Does to Your... by sooheon on Tuesday March 12, 2024 @03:46AM (#39677104)
The basis is self evident: he is an affiliate marketer for an overpriced product with astronomical margins (investors piled in at north of a billion) making health claims without scientific basis, 3rd party testing, or transparent labeling.

Good on him for getting his bag, but the incentives are clear: he made his name before sponsorships with quality content, but now the demand for ad impressions has outpaced his supply of meaningful insights. He needs to keep churning out videos to earn sponsorship dollars, so it's a natural symbiotic choice to invite low quality guests.

They bring the content (and controversy / engagement / followers), he supplies the veneer of legitimacy, studio lighting and somber expression in the thumbnail. The advertisers benefit and all get their payday, as long as his adherents keep overpaying for processed powder with multivitamin.

Re:The New Science on What Ultra-Processed Food Does to Your... by birksherty on Tuesday March 12, 2024 @07:42AM (#39678363)
> The basis is self evident:

No it's not evidence.

You wrote so many things but you also could not provide any evidence on what you said, product selling is not proof of anything. Please give proper evidence while accusing others of such and writing long comments.

Re:The New Science on What Ultra-Processed Food Does to Your... by sooheon on Tuesday March 12, 2024 @05:43PM (#39685343)
Product selling is proof of product selling. I wrote he is a supplement shill—-shilling for a supplement is proof enough of that.
Re:The New Science on What Ultra-Processed Food Does to Your... by stakhanov on Tuesday March 12, 2024 @08:21AM (#39678615)
> he is an affiliate marketer for an overpriced product

Didn't he recently announce that he now even has equity in AG1? So, it even goes beyond "affiliate".

That said, if you listen to the actual wordings of the claims he makes about AG1, he very clearly makes it a subjective statement, as in, he himself is taking it, because it sounds to him like a good idea (and walks through his thinking).

He very clearly distinguishes the modality around that from the modality around the science he reviews and that sort of thing. At least, to a trained ear, the distinction comes across very clearly.

Re:The New Science on What Ultra-Processed Food Does to Your... by ornornor on Tuesday March 12, 2024 @02:24PM (#39683007)
> algorithmic megaphone

Stealing that one, thanks!

Re:The New Science on What Ultra-Processed Food Does to Your... by datavirtue on Monday March 11, 2024 @11:51PM (#39676035)
Otherwise, no one will listen.
Re:The New Science on What Ultra-Processed Food Does to Your... by Icathian on Tuesday March 12, 2024 @07:05AM (#39678135)
I particularly enjoy the irony of this stance being taken by someone with the username "datavirtue".
Re:The New Science on What Ultra-Processed Food Does to Your... by carabiner on Tuesday March 12, 2024 @12:42AM (#39676265)
Is AG1 not ultra processed?
Re:The New Science on What Ultra-Processed Food Does to Your... by stakhanov on Tuesday March 12, 2024 @02:01AM (#39676612)
The reason it doesn't fall into this category is not because it's not ultra-processed, but because it's not food, and no one is claiming that it's food either. Presumably the idea here is more about how many calories you ingest, and what proportion of those calories comes from what level of processing. AG1 is not going to be a significant proportion of anyone's caloric intake.
Re:The New Science on What Ultra-Processed Food Does to Your... by Kirby64 on Tuesday March 12, 2024 @03:08PM (#39683542)
Yet adding xanthum gum or any sort of thickening agents to a food would make it ultra processed. Both of those have no nutritional value. Why does nutritional value have any relation to if something is ultra processed? It certainly doesn’t matter from a classification standpoint.
Re:The New Science on What Ultra-Processed Food Does to Your... by stakhanov on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @01:52AM (#39688458)
Medicine is "ultra-processed" as well, and goes in your mouth, but the study is certainly not implying that medicine, on the balance of probabilies, is unhealthy for you. That's where it makes a difference. It's not "don't put anything in your mouth that's ultra-processed", it's "don't rely exclusively/mostly on ultra-processed stuff to replace healthy food intake".
Re:The New Science on What Ultra-Processed Food Does to Your... by chihuahua on Tuesday March 12, 2024 @01:02AM (#39676347)
Podcast sponsors are blessed, and exempt from the normal rules.
Re:The New Science on What Ultra-Processed Food Does to Your... by NoPicklez on Tuesday March 12, 2024 @12:53AM (#39676316)
It would be considered ultra processed.

Important to note that whilst the podcast brings different opinions on different matters. It doesn't necessarily mean that Andrew or the podcast endorses those opinions.

Re:The New Science on What Ultra-Processed Food Does to Your... by mym1990 on Tuesday March 12, 2024 @01:34AM (#39676479)
Huberman is sponsored by AG1, thereby he endorses the product.
Re:The New Science on What Ultra-Processed Food Does to Your... by meowfly on Tuesday March 12, 2024 @08:24AM (#39678640)
This is my issue with the term processed foods. If a food is processed because it has artificial sweeteners and food coloring, it's different then food containing high-fructose corn syrup and hydrogenated fats (which is what the study looked at).

If you are going to condemn processed foods, show me that it's worse to eat Quest Bars than fruit and nuts with honey.

I hold the problem is sugars (and alcohol).

Re:The New Science on What Ultra-Processed Food Does to Your... by cypherg on Tuesday March 12, 2024 @03:46PM (#39684062)
Huberman lost all credibility with the science and medical community years ago, lol